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S&P may downgrade 16 eurozone countries – and increase interest on our bailout

Standard & Poor’s says 16 eurozone nations could have their credit ratings cut – which would make Ireland’s bailout more expensive.

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IRELAND MAY BE FORCED to pay higher interest rates on its EU-IMF bailout after ratings agency S&P put 16 eurozone countries on negative watch – indicating a fifty-fifty chance that each could have its credit rating lowered within 90 days.

Standard & Poor’s has put the 16 countries – every euro member except for Greece – on ‘creditwatch negative’, citing “tightening credit conditions across the eurozone” and the rising yields on each of their bonds.

It also blamed “continuing disagreements among European policy makers on how to tackle theimmediate market confidence crisis” and high levels of government and household debt throughout the eurozone.

The move to ‘negative’ means that each of the countries may be formally downgraded within three months – though S&P said it would conclude the review of each country as soon as possible after this week’s summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

The only country not to be put on a negative watch is Greece, with S&P explaining that its CC rating already means there is a “relatively high near-term probability of default” in Greece’s case.

Any downgrade to the ratings of France and Germany would mean that the EU bailout fund, the EFSF, would be similarly downgraded – meaning it would have to pay higher interest rates on the bonds it issues to pay for Ireland’s bailout.

Ireland, in turn, would therefore face a higher interest rate on the EFSF portion of its bailout, which amounts to some €22.5 billion.

Further pressure

The news comes just hours after Germany’s chancellor Angela Merkel, and French president Nicolas Sarkozy, called for a revised “tougher” European treaty in order to permanently resolve the debt crisis.

While it has been signalled for some time that France could lose its AAA status, the prospect of Germany – Europe’s benchmark economy – losing the status would throw the eurozone into even deeper turmoil.

The loss of such a status from a major economy would make it even more difficult for European economies to borrow money on the open market – and raise further questions about the viability of Europe’s current bailout mechanisms.

If France was to be priced out of the open markets, any prospective bailout would potentially empty the EFSF as it currently stands. Any impact on Germany, however, would radically alter the current thinking behind any solution.

The news will heap further pressure on EU heads of government, who will meet on Friday in Brussels to discuss ways of putting an end to the debt crisis.

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Comments (42 Comments)

  • Paul 05/12/11 #

    Here we go again and again week in week out with punch & judy show

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  • This wouldn’t be one of the same agencies that thought subprime mortgage salamis were triple A grade, or Lehmanns was marvellous and Anglo one if the best run banks in the world? It is a cost free exercise for these agencies to play around with credit ratings. If they were penalised financially when they get it wrong, they’d soon trim their sails.

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  • Newsflash, Poor Standards people.

    We can’t bloody afford it any more. If you want to bring the whole house of virtual money crashing down, then go right ahead and downgrade everyone. Except the most indebted country in the world, of course. Because you wouldn’t want to undermine your own, now would you?

    It’s very simplistic, but we all basically owe each other-in terms of national boundary. Write off all of that, like for like and we’ll see where we are. At least it would be a more honest situation than Joe Bloggs having one dollar, but leveraging it to pretend he has ten, which is what the worlds financiers have been doing for the last couple of decades.

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    • Ryan, don’t be talking sense fgs! Then all the bank handlers that swap and move all this “money” from computer screen to computer screen won’t be able to claim their big fat cheques. Not to mention all the spacers who run around Wall St roaring at each other. The games must go on. Until some kid tells us that “the Emperor wears no clothes”!!!

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  • Can we not just slip the S&P bods a few brown envelopes to make the problem go away. They and their ilk seem to be the most powerful organisation on the planet these days….

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    • isn’t that kind of behaviour that got us where we are now?

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    • To be fair to them they are doing their job right now. They didn’t over the last decade. Germany’s creditworthiness will be downgraded in time as well.

      Fair play to the Euro, 16 downgrades on the way and the economy of the continent in ruins. Most of the banks from Ballydehob to Berlin to Bratislava insolvent, (especially in Berlin. 2 of their largest banks are epic failures in the making) but the E.U. nationalists will see nothing wrong. It is Europe, right or wrong. Like the imperialists of old, they are on a mission of civilization.

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  • It’s just a joke at this stage!

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  • Ah yeh go on lads…throw a drop more petrol on the fire…shure it’s great crack!!

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  • Inside job is on bbc two on wednesday night at nine.

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  • The world world needs to be set to junk status.

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  • The grass in Iceland is looking a lot greener than in Ireland for many people here at the moment

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  • Have they finally discovered that giving all the students in the class straight A’s isn’t going to make them smarter!!!! About time you idiots..ratings agencies my hole!

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  • Could mean the end of our cash too

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  • This might be a blessing in disguise…if Germany is beng threatened then the whole revised treaty business will have to be parked. It would take years to get every country in the Eurozone on board (if at all). Germany have painted themselves into a corner here and the ECB is the only path out.
    Can’t honestly see Germany being downgraded though….France maybe but not Germany. If it did though a very decisive move would be taken….because it would have to be. Yeah…may not be a bad thing at all!

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    • Very insightful Tom :)

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    • Germany has used the artificially weak Euro to drive an export boom over the last 10 years. It sold to other EU states, lent them the money. How will it grow now?. It’s banks, some of which are the largest in the world are in a shocking state.

      One arm of Deutsche Bank has a leveraging of 76. So for every Euro, it has lent 76. The main bank itself has lent 44 for every Euro on deposit. It has 2.28trn on the books but only 51bn in capital.

      Lehman’s was leveraged at 31 times capital to book.

      Germany is certainly at long term risk of a downgrade. Everything in Europe’s power will be done to make sure that their bailouts are foisted on the State, like done here. This is the EU/ECB afterall, they serve German needs, no one elses.

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  • I’m simply tired of those agencies. F**k them!

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  • pagan 05/12/11 #

    Enda.Get the printing presses fired up.The punt is coming home.Bye bye euro.

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  • Market analysts may be mercenary but they are not idiots. They are showing that an EU treaty pushing more austerity on ailing economies is neither going to work or be accepted. Nor will fit emergency time frames for positive action.
    Bank contagion is pushing the Euro into collapse. This is a signal from the rating agency that, at least, limited default is the only answer and the summit is days away.

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  • Lets bring it all down, it can’t be fixed because it’s all virtual money disguised as debt. There was never any actual money behind the residential & commercial loans & now we OWE this imaginary money to who? I for one won’t stay in a country where the citizens haven’t the self respect to make it’s elected representatives to do their job & speak up for the Irish people. The game is up because no one will vote for a change to the treaty which means the euro is doomed to fail.

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  • If you look at the ads in the upper-right corner, you can see that some people are very eager indeed to see the euro flounder. It’s a little ironic that the American rating agencies that saw no problem with US banks dumping toxic US sub-prime derivatives on the world is tut-tutting the last manufacturing exporter in the western world, Germany.

    They need only look at the states of California and Alabama if they want to exercise some critical thinking – not even talking about the re-possessions and old people of over 70 that have to work in malls as their pensions have evaporated throughout the US.

    Who had ever used the world trillion before learning about the US debt? It’s currently at 15 trillion and climbing. Personal debt in the US is over $50,000; Greek personal debt is €34,000; UK personal debt over £30,000; German personal debt is about €8,000 (can anyone confirm?) and they save 11% of their income. Sure, S&P, let’s downgrade them. That sounds about right.

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  • Ah what’s new, everyone is lining up to rob us.

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  • CJ Ryan 05/12/11 #

    This is a gun to the head of Merkozy et al. It means the Germans have to give in and let the ECB print money like its no tomorrow or Humpty Dumpty gets pushed.

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  • I cant see the Euro lasting indefinitely. This is yet another potential pitfall. While the timing of this is almost tantamount to economic sabotage, it is nonetheless warranted. Europe is up to its eyes in debt and Germany is unfit to bail the whole of Europe out. Any country that attempts to do so will be seen as a liability by the markets. While the markets rallied today and may stay stable as long as talks continue, I think when the dust settles there will be another attack by the markets on sovereign bonds . The ECB will intervene for a while but as it is German money its role will ultimately be limited.

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    • The activity in the markets is all very well Cyril, but the underlying indebtedness between banks and their dependence upon ECB backing is sucking at the core economies. The very basis of the Eurozone recovery the EFSF is threatened and where to from there?

      mehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8924462/Wolfgang-Schauble-admits-euro-bail-out-fund-wont-halt-crisis.htmlchanism

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    • The ESFS is an absolute joke, it has virtually no money in it, in reality. People talk about hundreds of billions but there is nothing there. They tried to raise money on the market, and had to end up buying its own bonds. Basically it had to lend itself money. Some bailout fund that is.

      Treaty changes will not affect the basic fact that the Euro is completely unsuitable for about 7 countries and that they cannot grow under its constraints. The Euro makes the South overly uncompetitive and the North artificially competitive. That cannot go on, if people think that a half dozen countries are going to sit back over the next decade and watch themselves be gutted economically for the sake of ensuring that the manufacturing nations like Germany, Holland and Finland have a weak currency that aids their exports.

      There is going to be a large generation of people that will be radically opposed to the EU, and they will be in every country. Europe will have its version of the Arab Spring or like the 89 revolutions.

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  • Six months time-euro will be finished and we will default

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  • Tick tock tick tock. Not long to go now little Euro.

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  • Are they the same crowd that upgraded countries during the boom? Who sets the mark? If we borrow another €100 billion we might get an upgrade. At this stage what do a downgrade of the biggest trading block in the world mean? There is enough money in the euro zone to bring us out of recession.In the case of small businesses in Ireland it is time for them to get off their rears and start their own bank as the current situation sees banks lending to one another with money from governments to minimise any risk . Any lifeline to Irish small businesses should be channeled into a bank that’ can be utilised into job creation which is where small businesses can create efficiently and far better than the current funding of edifices which serve no purpose unless they invest in business in Ireland

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    • It will cost about 3 trillion to deal with the Eurozone crisis over the next 2 years. Note I do not say resolve it.

      Who has that kind of money. The Germans certainly do not have, they are going to have to put a sizeable wedge in to bailing out their banks in the next years. They are also going to have to deal with a rapidly slowing economy, that probably will go in to recession. Austerity by its nature prevents growth, while it is happening.

      This crisis can only be resolved by a mix of printing, zero interest rates, inflation destroying the debt and debt write off and austerity and more restrained lending. All are going to have to be rather substantial at this stage.

      I love how Germany and France are now demanding that strict punishments are put in place for countries that break the deficit rules. Given that they did so for years in the 90′s, and were able to have any punishment set aside, because the EU is their show.. The whole Euro is a joke at this stage, from the way it is run, the org. behind it, the performance of the ECB, the people who run it, the sheer volume of debt that people refuse to deal with it.

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  • Might just get some action from what passes for political leadership at this weeks summit.

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