Thanks I have been doing extra online courses. I want to keep developing my skills in areas, I know that has to be done.

Unfortunately still not allowing me to get a job.

I have a job lined up in oz great pay, great hours. There min wage, is a lot higher than hear so makes up in some way for the high cost of living.

If I sowed a field of spuds and hired 500 people to pick the …I would have created 500 “jobs” …the fact that the work would be over in a day wouldn’t make any difference they would be 500 jobs…
Point being there are “jobs” and there are “real jobs”……….
When they announce the extension o fa factory they don’t emphasise the fact that the “jobs” in the construction phase are for a maximum of maybe 2 years ………. “creating jobs” is just a political game to pretend that they are actually doing something for the country in my opinion!

Or Guideward? (subhead)

On the neck..

Retrain.

Just spent 4 years in college, you want me to spend another 4 years doing something I don’t like because the government are concentrating all their efforts on small growth in IT.

Firstly I lie what I studied, that’s what I want to wok at.
Your logic is go back to college and do something I don’t like because Enda is useless.

Secondly:
I have friends recently qualified in IT, all these jobs are 2-3 years experience. We both look for jobs everyday. So even if I was in IT I still wouldn’t be able to get a job.

Thanks for the great advice, spend 8 years in college, earning no money and fees going up doing something I do not want to do. That I wouldn’t be able to get a job out of and would have to do at least 2 years of internships to gain the experience needed to get a job here.

You did business, I did business, plenty of jobs in Finance, if you’d care to apply. You should have no bother getting one with your 1st class degree

I didn’t do business I am qualified in an area of business. Studied business for two years and then went Into a different area. I was looking and applying for every job I could, wasn’t many there. Good for you Conor. You keep telling me that.

What area of business is so narrow that you have no transferable skills?

If you have any sort of business degree and some work experience i.e internship you should have no problem getting a job. Finance and Accountancy firms generally don’t discriminate too much on what degree you have as long as you have the grades.

If what your saying us true why was it so hard to get a job, I should be in a job now of you are right.

I don’t have any experience, I had to work part time couldn’t afford not to.

I have applied for jobs and I have not even as much as got a reply.
I am not alone many of my friends in the same boat with all different degrees.

Maybe it just that they don’t want to risk taking on people with little experience.

I don’t know in just telling it how it is from my point of view and my friends.

And I do think it is great that these jobs were created, but it just all IT jobs being created, maybe they could try other areas as well

Well to be frank there’s no excuse for not having done an internship.

I spent a summer during college working for free from 9-5 whilst working at night and the evenings to pay for the petrol to get there.

This is something that most of my friends who are beneficially employed have done. It’s hard work but it pays off.

What’s stopping you from doing it now?

Also the government doesn’t create jobs, unless they are in the civil service.

Conor I stared college in 2008 I worked my first summer. A year or so after, I had some personal circumstances change so I worked two jobs evenings and weekends most weeks unless exams, sorry unlike you and your friend I couldn’t do that wouldn’t have been able to complete my college work, I was working enough to pay for everything.
Thanks for the advice Conor talk again soon I’m sure.

Julie, there is no college work during the summer?

You seem to be making excuses. Go and be proactive, ring up random businesses in your local area and offer to work for free in exchange for a good reference.

Build up your CV, volunteer, join a team sport. There is loads of graduate jobs out there as long as you fulfil the criteria generally required.

You’ve one life to live so go live it to the best of your abilities and don’t take no for an answer. Yes the economy is in the shitter but where there’s a will there’s a way.

I have been working a lot with two very successful entrepreneurs, you would know them. Most people would. Been getting great advice, and they have told me only jobs they have demand for are IT and judging by the demand that is all that will be around for a while.
I have done Skype calls with their HR director in America to improve my CV, she has helped me a lot, helped me prepare for the one or two interviews and talked me through the best way to approach business people so I have been ringing up and calling to business.

Next is Australia and they have a job lined up for me over there with Australia post, they have just started working with them.

I have been trying I have not had any success.

What more can I do.

Ok, it doesn’t matter how successful or famous these people are.

If you are working for them get them to reference it.

After that send out your CV, and follow up every application with a phone call. It makes you look interested.

No point making excuses and blaming the government and the booming IT industry. Life is what you make of it, there are loads of jobs, try gradireland.com. Or check all of the colleges careers sites regularly.

Done all that already but thanks for the advice Conor.

You must have gone to a non-reputable college so!

If you’re doing that and getting no reply, it doesn’t make sense. You must interview badly?

No went to a great college, might have something to do with the amount of graduates with no work. All my friends are out of work. We are all planning on leaving. I guess we are all wrong.

According to that HR director I interview very well.

Get call backs from interviews but no reply when I send CVs.

Well degrees in certain colleges are generally seen to be worth less than degrees gained in what is seen by employers as a reputable college.

Basically to put it simply a degree being taught to a room full of people with 500 points is going to be seen better than a degree taught to a room full of people with 250 points.

Like in Ireland we have the likes of Trinity and the NUIs on top, with the parochial ITs such as Letterkenny and Sligo on the bottom.

Employers know this and discriminate accordingly….

Perhaps you should think of doing a postgrad in a better college if you are in this situation?

And if all your friends from college are out of work perhaps that tells you a lot about the reputation of your college?

No reply to your cv implies there is something missing on it? Which brings me back to what I was talking about colleges.

If you have the work experience and interview well it could only be that?

Everything you are saying is right Conor, but I have done it all.

No my college has a great reputation. That argument doesn’t work.

Thanks for all the advise

I have had a HR director look at my cv, she said it was good but we worked together and made it better.

Entrepreneurs I was working with have said, my college degree is a great degree. But told me there is no work around for graduates too many of us looking for work.

I have a job sorted now, not here but I have one sorted.

I spent 4 years training to be a plumber only got 6 years out of it altogether ive gone back to college to study IT as have alot of my builder mates you have to suck it up and retrain giving out about things wont get you a job.

don’t have to retrain now have a job lined up just not here .

But fair play to ya, I have just spent 4 years in college, I will go get two years out of that 4 year degree, if I come home and there is still nothing only IT, I hope not, then I will have to retrain.

Hope the course works out for ya. And good luck.

Julie, your entrepreneurs are wrong. Sorry but I have to say this.

There is loads of jobs available to business graduates, so much so that Ireland is importing graduates from other countries.

I’ve had 2 graduate jobs sine I finished my finals last May. And there is no reason why u should not have a job. There is obviously something missing for your cv.

Conor, I love you. Ireland needs MORE people like you!!! You hit the nail on the head when you said “The Government doesnt create jobs.” Agreed, that isnt their remit. But I guess this hasnt dawned on the Irish population yet. Nobody is going to knock on your door and hand you a job. You need to be RUTHLESS! and persist and keep fighting. Sitting around moaning ( like most of the people that sit at home and drink their dole money do) will lead them nowhere. Ireland needs to be weened off the breastmilk of the state. And grow the hell up and fend for ourselves!!

Ah lads come on. I have looked for work I can’t get it. I have done everything I possibly can.

I have talked to as many people I can.
I have applied for every job I can.
I have walked into places and talked to business people.
There is noting missing from my cv.
I along with a lot of other graduates are leaving.
We can’t get work.

But look it okay I have a job, finally got one, its just not here.

Do you speak any languages? Could be a good idea to make that investment over the next few years.

Julie, I think the question you need to ask is why you aren’t getting work and other people are.

If I can get a job there’s no reason why you couldn’t. It’s not Enda or Intels fault.

Why am I and many many others I know and friends of friends not getting work is there something wrong with all of us. Something wrong with half of the people where I live who genuinely couldn’t get work and have had to reluctantly leave.

Lads I’m sorry it nothing to do with me. I have tried my best. I genuinely have.

Not wanting to burst your bubble Shane but I too worked in the building trade and graduated with an honours degree in IT but because I have no experience working in IT, I can’t get a job. I have applied for at least 3 jobs very week since I have graduated and nothing without experience. Same also happened when I applied to the jobsbridge scheme for graduates nothing there either.

Julie are you only applying for jobs near where you live?

Ah come on now Conor I feel now like I am in an integration room, calm down will ya.

Of course I am, where I live has been decimated by the recession.

Did most people work in the unsustainable industry such as the building trade?

No there was a mix we had manufacturing jobs here that left because of the rise in energy cost, there were multinationals, small businesses now closed , more started up they are now struggling. And if course there were some in construction also.

A degree in “IT” is no good if you can’t show you can actually do the job and a lot of “IT” graduates can’t. You can do an internship or start a side project, anything to get your foot on the ladder. There’s plenty of jobs, just not enough “qualified” people to do them – “qualified” means capable, not just armed with the degree.

Julie is probably point that there’s no point in retraining but I’m sad to see her comments with all the reasons why it won’t work. Probably right.

Alot of young men went straight into construction after school because of the wages and amount of work that was on offer.i worked 5 minutes walking distance from my house for the first 3 years of my trade.

@ censored and where did u come across this fact that most IT graduates can’t do the jobs? Graduates are not being given the opportunity to display their skills, what chance has a graduate got if even graduate internships are looking for people with experience? Obviously IT graduates are not being thought what is needed for the work place.

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The college you went to and the course you did will get you the interview , it shows you have the ability to learn it certainly won’t get you the job, you experience put into a good interview is what gets you the job. This makes it more difficult for graduates. But Julie have a look at the likes of Accenture they are on a recruitment drive for graduates in all areas of business at the moment.
Don’t worry too much about not getting any reply to your cv as long as you’re getting some. Many companies get hit with thousands of CV’s, and even mitral many companies advertise jobs for purely that, advertisement. It’s cheaper for a half page in the recruitment section than it is anywhere else. If you keep trying you will succeed.
It’s not easy and the sheer numbers of people unemployed shows that its not just you having issues. I’ve been in your position, its all about work rate and staying as positive as possible. Imo.