That’s a good question, Cathy.

When I worked a part-time job I received casual welfare on top of that, so I guess I’d have contributed to both figures. Plus disability benefit or other payments to people unable to work for whatever reason.

Answer:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/jobseekers_benefit_and_work.html

The media should not report figures that try and con the public.

As far as I know he would be counted as unemployed. He wouldn’t be on the live register though.

I don’t think your friend had been working very long if he didn’t qualify for Jobseekers benefit.

same here. my missus receives no benefit as I work and we live together. She is supposed to go sign on, but whats the point.

Very fair analysis

A girl in UK took a case to court outlining that their (similar) work placement programme breached employment laws and won.

The UK scheme forced people to work for free or they would lose their benefits. It’s completely different to a voluntary scheme that pays people an additional €50, so it’s not a similar scheme at all.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-02-12/u-dot-k-dot-court-rules-unpaid-employment-programs-are-illegal

They reckon 18000 people emigrated in 2012, has to be higher than that. I read before that they reckoned it was 45000 a year, if you take that number from 2008 thats a lot of people gone…

70,000 IRISH CITIZENS emigrated last year !
If one were to add the 200,000 people that have emigrated then our unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 21% , and then you have to account for all the self-employed people and all the people on “Courses”
….
Dail Eireann is like a washing machine stuck on a “SPIN” cycle ….in my opinion!

Yes the number of people at work may have increased but it does not follow that they came from the dole .

In the second half of 2012 there was a massive increase in the number of Romanians seeking PPS numbers here , in fact it was “double” the figure for the first 6 months , the figure for Romanians jumped from around 1500 in the first half to around 3500 in the second half , this was due to the government lifting all restrictions on Romanian Workers in the summer of last year . Therefore the increase in people at work can be directly attributed to not only this but also the lifting of work restrictions on Bulgarian workers.

I have no doubt you will see the people at work figure get even larger as more and more work permits are issued to eastern europe , in fact the number of Romanians in January gone applying for PPS numbers was “treble” the number of the previous January.

Great news. Full time job numbers back to 1990 levels. Pity we have near a million extra people to support now.
http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/statire/temp/2013227193852417566QNQ34_19385532.gif

70,000 emigrated from Ireland last year but 50,000 came into Ireland.

the irish times reports that around 50,000 left ireland last year..maybe i got the figures wrong in the article?

Jamie, more people at work, paying taxes etc is a good thing. It’s small step but it’s to be welcomed.

So?They didn’t have to leave – it was their choice. As was it their choice not to try and set up a business here but quit and go somewhere easier. They are not the sort of person we need in our economy.

yeah john, lets all sell penny apples. you can’t start a business with no money.

John
The most catastrophic thing that can happen to a country going through an austerity programme is emigration.
You seem to be an authority on everything so I will let you work out why for yourself….

I know you are trolling but your comments are upsetting and offensive to people who have lost the close bond of loved ones who have been forced across the world in search of employment.

You clearly know nothing of business too. Innovation, seed capital, bank support, loss making initial years. Sure anyone at all could get around that.

It’s dullards like you this country could do without.

Gooter features those men and women left to make money and not be dependent on the state…

Those men and women who had no choice but to leave are exactly the people we need back because they are brave and hard working!

John Duggan thats a ridiculous comment to make!!! since you are, in your opinion the type of person this country needs , lets hear your ideas for businesses that could have been set up to keep the 200,000 emmigrants here..im presuming you know of some secret bank that no one else knows of that will loan money to start up SMEs or to people who are self employed?

John, the main problem I see with forced emigration is that these are the people who are willing to work and who now see no future here and therefore leave. Don’t get me wrong, people leave for different reasons. I left this country for nearly 8 years during the “Boom” living in the US and UK because I wanted to, not because I had to, returning in 2006 to set down roots with my now wife. Biggest mistake I ever made as we are now tied to this dump because of a mortgage and two kids. Now there are a lot of people like me who would up sticks and leave and can’t either because they are tied to this country with circumstances similar to mine or who just don’t have the means to leave. There are also many of the “unemployed” who have never in fact been employed. These types of “unemployed” people are who are remaining keeping the figures buoyant collecting of the tax paying population. Unfortunately the hard working are leaving and the slips are staying…You wont see these figures drop anytime soon…

@ John Duggan: Don’t worry, there will be thousands more of Bulgarian and Romanian nationals coming in over the next few years to replace the Irish, many of whom will set up business and in turn more than likely put you out of business through competitive streaks. These are the sort of people you need my friend and you know, you will get. Enjoy!

Ain’t that the truth Iam…Ireland of the 1000 welcomes if you want to come here and siphon of the taxpayer and live it up without putting your hand in your pocket. This country is beginning to reap what it has sown. It will be interesting to see how our demographics will have altered .completely in 10 years time….

It’s gobsh1tes like him that are running the country the clever ones leave

@Jamie – Just to address your first point:

The most recent CSO figures on emigration (the 12 months up to April 2012) found that 87,100 people had emigrated in the previous year – but also that 52,700 people had immigrated. The vast majority of both categories were Irish: either young Irish people leaving the country, or people who had been away for a few years then deciding that they wanted to return home. The net effect of emigration was to reduce the population by 34,400.

What the CSO has found that is not all of these net emigrants were previously part of the labour force: only about 9,500 of the people who were looking for work were among those who left.

The other emigrants, one can only assume, are people who have come straight out of college or a training course and decided to leave Ireland, or who may be children of young parents who have decided to start a new life in other countries.

5000 Canadian visas release in jan were gone within 5 days. I doubt they divided this would be a nice thing to do. Most had to I guess.

Claiming 1200 jobs increase job bridge and internships=7000 immigration 80000 more like things worsening by 85000 convenient to release this spin prior to a vote on croake park 2

3…..2….1… and that’s the last 20 something year old gone to greener pastures

the level of deception from the goverment is rising .

NAY!
sorry I was late.

No John austerity will never work. Job bridge and all the other yellow pack job schemes are disguising the real figures. We need to know how many people are on these schemes, and if they are deemed employed or not.

well that depends on what you consider the pint of austerity to be. In regards to cutting our deficit, it’s working very well.

John did you ever hear of the law of diminishing returns?

Yes, John Austerity is working…..

Austerity causes emigration and takes money out of peoples pockets by increased taxes for less services.

That is what austerity does, so if by that you mean ‘working’ then yes it is flat out busy and doing it’s thing.

Our deficit has virtually remained the same and our domestic economy has ground to a halt by the way every country has a continuing deficit that’s how capitalism works the ECB wound not want that to change its more about short term profit for bankers and their ilk

When did we start with this austerity thing. I thought we were still borrowing 1 billion a month to pay the bills. That’s not austerity. It’s just less opulence.

The figure is closer to 20% unemployment and nearly 130,000 emigrated last year, they manipulate the figures to keep feeding this bullshite story were recovering approx 74,000 emigrated to Australia last year

Don’t forget emigration. Our best export – our young people.

John,
It’s certainly cutting the number of Irish in Ireland…

It’s true

it very dangerous on this scale o’reilly.
our population is getting older and the future workforce are emigrating.
the arguement is that we are getting foreign nationals to balance emigration out but the problem is foreign nationals will, when they have saved enough money return home. going forward the burden of social welfare is going to spiral with less irish people in the workforce. the other sad thing is that these people who are leaving are the most highly educated people we have ever produced.

Well said Frank

Agreed Frank. But in the here and now, it gives those on SW a fighting chance…

yes point taken but the government better get up off their ass and solve both emigration and unemployment pretty quick or we are in serious trouble