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Minister to reveal on Monday whether mini-Budget is needed

The next Stability Programme Update is due out next Monday – but Michael Noonan remains insistent that we’ll meet our targets.

Michael Noonan remains confident
Michael Noonan remains confident "that we will meet our budgetary targets for the year".
Image: Eamonn Farrell/Photocall Ireland

Updated, 14:16

THE GOVERNMENT is set to publish revised estimates for economic growth next Monday – and disclose whether it may need a mini-Budget later in the year in order to meet its deficit targets.

The Department of Finance will publish the latest edition of the Stability Programme Update next week, in which it will reappraise its earlier projections for how much the Irish economy might grow by this year.

The 2012 Budget announced four months ago was based on projections that the economy would grow by 1.3 per cent this year – a figure which has since been undercut by estimates from the European Commission and IMF, who expect growth of 0.5 per cent.

The OECD, meanwhile, has anticipated growth of 1.0 per cent, while the ESRI believes the economy will grow by 0.9 per cent.

The possibility of further Budget measures was somewhat alleviated by figures this week from Eurostat, which noted that Ireland’s budget deficit for 2011 if the costs of the banking bailout were removed – was 9.4 per cent of GDP, well ahead of the 10.6 per cent target set by the bailout.

This gives the government some wriggle room, and could allow the government to absorb any shortfall in this year’s Budget estimates.

In response to a parliamentary question tabled last week by Gerry Adams, Noonan said he remained “confident that we will meet our budgetary targets for the year”.

“The end-March Returns show that taxes have made a good start to the year, performing better than expected in the first quarter and close to 4.5 per cent ahead of profile on an underlying basis,” Noonan said.

“While voted expenditure showed some pressures, I am confident that it will be actively managed within agreed limits”.

A report published at the beginning of the month by the national budgetary think-tank, the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council, raised the possibility of a shortfall of up to €400 million in this year’s Budget forecasts because of a slower economic recovery, which would mean fewer taxes.

The IFAC added that because higher expectations for growth lead to an overstatement in tax incomes, Ireland should introduce an extra €2.8 billion in budget adjustments over the next three years, in order to make sure it reaches its deficit target of 3 per cent of GDP by the 2015 deadline.

Last year’s Stability Programme Update reduced the expectation for growth in 2011 from 1.7 per cent, as outlined in the Budget of December 2010, to 0.75 per cent. CSO figures showed that growth ultimately reached 0.7 per cent for the year.

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Comments (60 Comments)

  • You already told us a mini budget was not needed. Since everything else FG said to date has been untrue – we’ll assume for now that a mini budget is required.

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  • So where is the breaking point for the the Irish?

    - Bank Bailouts
    - No one held accountable
    - Household charge of €100
    - Water meter fitting of €300
    - Second Budget to impose more charges
    - Scaremongering for a yes vote?
    - Countless Broken Promises?

    The Greeks and French protested for less than this.

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  • Here we go brace yourself people more pain on the way

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  • Look there will not be a mini budget, that is 100% definite, but we will see either – supplementary budgetary measures or fiscal management or some other made up bunch of words – in other words a mini budget in fancy dress, but with the same outcome of more pain and suffering

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  • These people in power dont care about the people cause they live off massive wages, they have no idea what its like. They just want to follow along and give themselves the least amount of work possible while still getting paid a fortune by the irish tax payer. VOTE NO.

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  • I can’t afford to work any more…

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  • There’s a mini-budget coming alright because as i said yesterday they left no room to re-act to slight change of plan, unforeseen,etc hopefully this time they’ll actually leave the budget with some room to breathe and their budgeting skills have improved. We need to think along the lines of growth stimuli now(which I’d hope will be in the new budget) as increased taxation could very well prove to be self-defeating.

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  • I cant afford to live let alone work!

    This country is a disgrace, a disgrace that the people and throw the corrupt Labour/Fine Gael lot out!

    How much longer will we put up with this?

    Yesterday they cut special needs payments off children with down syndrome, the very same day we hear Kenny blows €500 on paper openers and €60 per month of biscuits!

    FFS people WAKE UP!

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  • Irish people smarter than before???? We will give out for a few days, say we are not paying this and that and then after we are satisfied that we have depleted our bodies of all that hot air we will sit down and see what time xfactor is on happy in the knowledge we put the government firmly in its place! Bloody joke!

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  • Hang on a minute, was it not so long ago we were informed no mini budget was required, MOG, what is this shower doing, perhaps finally they are beginning to realize their absurd policies are not working, indeed actually making things worse. This is becoming farcical.

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    • It’s when not if, I just can’t stand this any more, Noonan thinks he’s lightening the news that it may be announced next week. This attitude and announcement is just totally treating us like f . . king egits. I really don’t know where he thinks the money is going to come from. Both F Fail and now F Gael have bleed the people of Ireland dry. We can’t take any more. The people that are working can’t give any more either.

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  • I think the word is when not whether.

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    • •The Minister will tell us on Monday that a austerity budget IS needed. (even though he said we would never need one)
      •Scaremongering again, oh if we don’t vote the austerity treaty in we won’t be able to access funds
      (that he said we didn’t need as we are right on track to return to the markets because all the austerity is working?!)
      • this is all in the big scare plan to get the populace frightend so they can secure a yes. Dirty dirty tactics shame on them.

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    • @Ryan oneill
      totally agree with you. The website is set up to scare a yes vote out of people, the name of the it is chosen to scare a yes vote out of people and this kind of announcement and many more that we will see over next few weeks and set up to a yes vote out of people.

      I hope that the No vote wins but it’s going to be a close call cause unfortunately scaremongering does work.

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    • @jason

      I think the electorate have had enough now at this late stage. I do think scare tactics work but the Irish population are wiser than before. We were duped via Lisbon 1&2 and we were duped via the bank bailout, I believe the Irish are smarter now than ever before, just look at the silent protest re the house hold charge. People are slowly realising that this treaty is bad economically and socially for the nation as a whole. And if I’m wrong, which I hope I’m not, I will eat my hat and emigrate! Because there will be nothing left for me here. I won’t stay here for more austerity via a German sayso. I believe in the Irish fighting spirit to say enough is enough NO means NO this time.

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    • these people that are running this country are SATANS foot soldiers

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    • Ryan
      You took the words from my mouth . He did say we would not need one ….
      All scare tactics ….The vote is still NO , NO.
      Shame shame shame shame shame …….

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    • i think your right they say we cant get funds unless we vote yes but even if we do vote yes to access the funds you have to be a threat to the euro and the other countries decide by vote if u r or not what if spain needs help whoose the biggest threat to the euro then.

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    • I had such high hopes for Noonan, the man’s a disgrace. When FF hoped to curry favour with the electorate by asking for a 5 cent reduction in the price of petrol, just 5 lousy cent, Noonan didn’t even pretend to consider it. Instead he laughed and dismissed it outright. We no longer have a government, we have a dictatorship, a bunch of fools who couldn’t lie straight in bed.

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  • Oh fun ! More austerity

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  • We all know a mini-budget is coming … The German Government were told about it weeks ago, and the Journal.ie ran a story on it … who the hell do they think they are fooling, pretending they haven’t made their minds up yet. They are waiting for the refernda to complete first, because otherwise, it would be the final nail in the coffin.

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  • FF proposal of cutting petrol duties was booted put because the government didn’t want to interfere with the budget mid year, 2 days later they are planning to interfere with the budget mid year. Anyone law find this ironic? Typical take take take attitude

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  • Yet another Noonan nuance. Did we say ‘no budget’? Oh, well erm we meant ‘mini’. Just watch the carefully crafted rhetoric around this one to try to sheep the people into the yes pen on the upcoming STABILITY treaty.

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  • em excuse me, a mini budget? Were we not told a few weeks ago that there wouldn’t be a need for one? More lies from this shower of wasters . You can’t believe a word that comes out of any of their mouths.

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  • He looks like ‘Jabba the hut’ in that picture. What sort of a shower of incompetents are they? How is the economy going to gain any sort of confidence when day after day, week after week, they are stringing out stories of how much more money they are going to take from us. It seems endless since last August when the budget talk started.

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  • http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2915509

    German MPs received the documents before our own elected representatives did.

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    • After a yes vote is secured, you can bet your life’s savings that all our documentation will have the Bundestag logo on top and all our policies and budgets will be translated from German into English, because if we vote yes we are handing over our country to Germany to run.

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  • The church gate collection for fine gale must have been a disaster last week so now we need a mini budget.

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  • Let him play stupid games and let him bring on his ‘mini’ more austerity budget.

    And then let us have a one day National strike and wipe out the benefit for him.

    If we really STOP spending any money for a week the government will be in dire straits.

    We have control in this monetary war if we choose to use it.

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  • That photo of Michael Noonan inspired me to think of what the internal dialogue might have been when it was taken:

    “If I rub me fingers together for long enough, I’ll make fire, then they’ll all burn, mwahahaha”

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  • Yes….time to bring out the good china,digestives and put the fire on….I love an auld budget

    No digestives…..oh

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  • I love how Noonan says ”We will meet our budgetary targets”. Well Noonan, I have been trying to meet my budgetary targets for the past couple of years like the rest of the Irish population but I cant meet MY targets cos Im contributing to YOUR targets for immorally and unethically bailing out the banks. Some of us are using your face as target practice now. The clock is ticking, your time is nearly up, the days of FG/Labour are coming to an end.

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  • This is why he came out with his budget shite:
    Because the EU is setting up to ask for another 6.8% off all EU members….
    Austerity for everyone, apart from the EU…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17835821

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  • jimbo 25/04/12 #

    You can shove your budget

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  • I love a good budget

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  • mike 25/04/12 #

    Get ready for them to take your teeth.

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  • censored 25/04/12 #

    Weathervane Noonan

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  • Don’t worry. There won’t be a mini-budget announced… until AFTER the Fiscal Compact referendum is passed in Ireland.

    They won’t want the backlash of additional NO votes.

    But a Mini-Budget is coming, all right.

    And there’s no such thing as a Mini-Budget, btw. Nothing Mini about more taxes and cuts in services. It’s a Major Budget, if you ask me.

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  • Everybody bend over again on Monday.

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  • Ok lets say what we all know but what the government won’t tell us and treat us like monkeys by behaving that way!

    On the basis of the once again changed growth forecasts, of course there’s going to be a mini budget and
    More austerity measures!

    Its also plainly obvious by listening to the government speak in relation to the yes campaign on the treaty, that we are going to need a second ‘programe’ ( they are not bailouts by the way as we give back it all with a lot more in return also!!!)
    So much for change and telling people the truth!!!

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  • Last night my German friend was takin’ a piss at our economy I wanted to beat him up so bad but than I realised he’s so right. What a mess, god doesn’t love the Irish no more.

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  • Another budget to keep the Croke Park Meal going and all their increments topping up their wages. Of course we need another budget how will the civil servants survive otherwise. A No vote just might bring the government into reality.

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    • I agree on the NO vote!

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    • Their increments are their wages. When they sign a contract of employment it states what their salary will be after 10 years due to increments. This is the only chance they have of pay rises. In the public sector they can get a pay rise year on year indefinitely. Not in the public. And btw the increment really isn’t that much. 15 quid extra a month or something close to it. You, and everyone else reading this who will give it all a thumbs down because it is not slagging off the public sector, won’t believe that their increments, while not in 100% of cases, are given subject to performance.

      Your comment is ridiculous and falling into the public v private row that keeps rumbling on and is being fed by the government and the media.

      You also probably forget that 5/6/7 years ago most of the country was laughing at the public sector employees and the wages they got. Looking down at them with derision.

      Now they feel like they have to apologise for having a job. Their wages aren’t huge either. It’s the tip of the tree/management/senior admin areas where the creaming is rife and wastage is rampant and is painting the whole public sector in a negative light.

      But anyway be sure to give this a thumbs down because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

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    • That was mainly directed towards @Frank2521

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  • Silent P 26/04/12 #

    You’ve got to laugh (or cry) at all the so called economic experts guessing the rates of growth for the Irish economy. Blindfolds and dart-boards spring to mind..

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