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So the ones he took to a press conference last week regarding Bill are all telling the truth but the ones accusing him are all liars? It’s a sad state affairs when being leader of the so called greatest democracy in the world boils down to which sexually abused person do you believe most. Shocking stuff.
Shocking indeed that the media have decided who will be President. They refuse point blank to mention anything negative about Clinton and when they do it is slipped in as a side note. Clinton was secretary of state when 30,OOO emails went missing and barely a word about it. Some woman said he was all over her on a plane and Obamas WIFE comes out crying ?? WTF
@mr magoo: His biggest problem is himself, if he didn’t behave the way he does then the media would have nothing to print, the guy admitted on live tape that’s what he does, if it was the UK he would be gone by now (Not Ireland as we let our politicians away with all sorts).
I’ve said if I lived in the US I would probably vote for neither of them. One is a horrible misogynist racist pig and one is a liar who has used her office to enrich herself. Its a bit like being asked would you like to be circumcised with a desert spoon or a soup spoon, both horrible possibilities.
No problem but we are not hearing anything negative about Clinton. Media are trying to whip up anti Trump hysteria ! The latest being paticularly pathetic and yet the global media pusing Michelle Obama speech laden with faux outrage as if Trump had murdered someone ? She’s not to bothered about Bill Clinton potentially being offered a position in governnent and he has a proven track record as a sexual predator. It’s absurd. Maybe Obamas are worried about something coming out cos honestly they seem desperate now
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a veteran lawmaker, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.
As i said yesterday, this is one of the main reasons people are voting for Trump. He specifically said he would like to work with Russia to destroy ISIS. Clinton wants to continue arming them.
There are powerful international forces pulling the strings in this election with trillions of dollars at stake. Trump threatens their control and therefore every single little piece of dirt will be used against him. Meanwhile, there is a complete media blackout of the UNBELIEVABLE John Podesta emails. There is enough evidence in those emails to prosecute the Clinton’s 20 times over. It’s completely ignored and we’re all supposed to focus on mean things Trump said. Even the most staunch Trump hater must be able to acknowledge the clear bias and witch hunt against him.
You realise how arrogant it is to say the media decided the election? You are saying “I’m smart enough to see through the media’s plan, but anybody who votes for Clinton isn’t?” That arrogance is the real reason Trump has no chance.
Mr Magoo the media have been all over Clinton for decades and she has to be one of the most investigated politicians of the last century. And the result? Sweet FA. The media have poured over her life for decades. The result sweet FA. No killing blows landed. No criminal charges. It is unlikely as a consequence that there is much that is new to come out. You blest on about the emails but refuse to acknowledge that under the two term republican President George W Bush the practice was widespread and millions of emails were deleted not 30 thousand. Not a word from Republicans about this. Double standards and hypocrisy are the hallmarks of the Republican right. The more moralising and religious the more you can be sure that they are engaged in some type of sexual deviancy.
Now Trump, your hero, is new to this. He has not been subjected to the process as the Clintons over their decades in public life. He thought he was immune from this form of scrutiny. It has all yet to come out. I liken Trump to Bill Cosby. Protected by his wealth and fame until he reached a tipping point. I suspect Trump is now in the same category. What do they have in common? Arrogance, hubris and a large degree of self delusion.
So please drop the nonsense about the media favouring Clinton. A paper never refused ink and Trump is the gift that keeps giving. If in previous elections any other candidate had said a fraction of h things Trump has said and alleged the media would have crucified them.
@Sean: Sean you say he has no chance but the reality is he is winning. A plank of wood could figure out the media’s agenda here. The question is, how many people are buying it?
The media that she vetos. Wikileaks have shown that Clinton is in collusion withe media and has vetoed even the qustions asked. You would probably know that but I guess you didn’t hear it on CNN.
@mr magoo: Wikileaks has shown itself to be as biased as any other actor in this sorry affair, they would have some credibility if they were hacking and providing info on both candidates but they have clearly set themselves up to try and win the presidency for Trump by leaking emails relating to Clinton only. They leave this thing with zero credibility and are clearly either in the pay or influence of Trump or his supporters, in the past I would have had respect for them but now they are just Trump Hackers doing the absolute opposite to what they were setup for. If they were exposing both I would say fair play but they clearly are only interested in one truth!
Old school racist with a hatred of women who stand up to him. Are these the only 2 candidates that America can put forward? Make America great again? …dont think either of them are up to it.
The Chinese and Russians are the world powers now, not America.
@Brendan Luke Ferron: this what assange has said about that.
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his group’s intel on Donald Trump pales in comparison to the billionaire’s own rhetoric.
Assange, whose organization has released embarrassing Democratic National Committee emails believed to have been hacked by Russian entities, said the group doesn’t have anything on Trump that is more controversial than the GOP presidential nominee’s own public comments.
“We do have some information about the Republican campaign,” he said Friday, according to The Washington Post.
“I mean, it’s from a point of view of an investigative journalist organization like WikiLeaks, the problem with the Trump campaign is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial material than what comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth every second day,” Assange said.
“I mean, that’s a very strange reality for most of the media to be in.”
Assange also said earlier this month WikiLeaks is eager for information it can publicly release about Trump.
“If anyone has any information that is from inside the Trump campaign, which is authentic, it’s not like some claimed witness statement but actually internal documentation, we’d be very happy to receive and publish it,” he said in an Aug. 17 interview aired on NPR’s “Morning Edition.”
Mr Magoo “the media that she (Clinton) vetoes)”! Do you ever listen to yourself? So she has God like powers of media veto now. You’re like Trump. You so say things with no connection to reality.
@mr magoo: If the media never mentioned the emails then how come everyone in the world knows about it?
Do you have access to a secret underground media on the Dark Web?
@Niamh Kenneally: For someone who hates Trump so much, you do spend a lot of your time following his every move. The media have mentioned the emails obviously, it’s just not reported like a national scandal. It’s played down as not a big deal. Nothing to see here move along. Surely you’ve noticed this?
@thejynxeffect: Following his every move? You mean I follow the news reports just like everyone else. If you’re going to be so childishly petty I could say you follow Hillary’s every move. How silly to accuse me of something you do yourself. Trump-level silly.
The emails were investigated and reported on WHEN THEY WERE RELEVANT and it was all over the press. Sorry you were unable to access the media at that time.
what…theres a story about emails….i haven’t seen or heard about that at all……you need to start calling all the media outlets with you exclusive insights there magoo…..
@Niamh Kenneally: ah ok, so a crime that happened recently that would have landed anyone else in jail IS NOT RELEVANT. Tapes about Trump from 11 years ago IS RELEVANT.
You are right with your first point though. I do follow Hillary very closely. I hold my hands up there. Should have thought that one out a bit better.
But it would be hard to follow Hillary on the journal because there are no articles about her here.
@Trevor Cooke: thanks Trevor Magoo was refering to 30 000 emails going missing while clinton was secretary of state – the email scandal that fox covered pretty much every day for the past year – not sure how comparing the coverage of the day Trumps Tapes went live on major media outlets with the Wikileaks for the same 4 days is at all relevant to that point…..if Trump supporters want to turn the campaign into symantics and BS then bring it on….The republican attack machine was very effective during the busy years with Fox doing their bidding with theor BS fair and balanced approach – that hasnt worked in the past few elections and there is no doubt that its not quite working this time either- but they know no other strategy – the other media are hitting back and hitting hard and Trump and the republicans cant seem to take it ……its like the polls BS….if Trump is going to spin and spin and refer to the polls during the good times – you have to be prepared to suck it up refer to the same ones when your candidate is losing….
@thejynxeffect: It has already been investigated extensively and reported on to a painful level.
Sorry you were unable to access the media at that time. Investigations are over…the rest of the world accepts this and moves on. Some people who think Google is an research library full of secret info available only them assume that for some reason all those investigations were a failure and that they know the real deal.
Those people are paranoid idiots.
No relevance hey ? that’s strange I thought he was pointing out the fact the media doesn’t report actual credible stories anymore and it’s not just bias anymore it is just lies. You referenced one news outlet that did some cover of the original email scandal which is a republican station. The entire point he is making is the media is hoaxing all day everyday its been proven in the emails and its been proven in the research yet its become acceptable to conform like a sheep and agree to their claims.
Who even mentioned the republican attack machine. We know Fox is republican and we know there coverage is biased, but there is a HUGE difference between bias and flat out LIES.
Hitting back HAHAHAHA seriously? You think a sexual assault claim against Trump from the 1980s from a woman who had ample opportunity to report the crime to the cabin crew staff or the police or even mention it after the event she decided to wait until 25 days before the news to finally release her untold story? Sounds like a fiction novel.
Proof has been shown numerous times of the poll fixing including Clintos SuperPACS conducting their own polls for CNN.
Actually you seem a bit desperate yourself. Are you stalking me ? Must be having sleepless nights about the uncompliant ones not following along with the popular Trump is the devil consensus.
@thejynxeffect: here we go again , how many time are Trump supporters going to try grab one poll – which by the way had him leading by +5 a month ago claim that this means he is winning —you are fking delusional – if you want to use the currency of polls then will you FFS read them and conclude that there is NO WAY Trump is ‘WINNING’ according to them – FOX NEWS , NBC , Washinton Journal etc etc they ALL have Trump dropping not winning —— I know thats not what you want but you people are either too stupid to understand polls , deliberately trying to spin them into a story that they are not or most likely BOTH.
@Trevor Cooke: and you believe that that wasnt a wollop for Trump last Friday…..yes they are hitting back , I used the one overt republican channel to illustrate the point because they were the first media outlet to overtly brand themselves as fair and balanced and were the original proponent of extremely biased political attacks – there is no doubt that other media have followed similar tactics ( and its not for the better ) – again you can only make BS accusations about Superpacs and slander CNN – you seem to completely miss the point that Trump and the Republicans are now getting a taste of their own medicine and they just don’t like it one bit – They were happy to Swiftboat Kerry and be smug in the pockets of George w but the one trick pony isn’t as effective anymore and they really don’t like when they are getting hit hard !
I sincerely don’t believe it was a wollop for Trump to be honest Dave. The same reason I said Jo Cox being killed and the left using it for political gain would still see a the UK leaving the EU.
This isn’t even about left and right anymore Dave it is much bigger than that. This is one of the most important elections in history this will determine the failure or saving of the entire western civilization.
Left and right is irrelevant in this election its about fighting for the values of the founding fathers.
@Niamh Kenneally: Niamh, the rest of the world does not accept it. FBI agents are very angry at the outcome. James Comey clearly stated that she lied multiple times. Anyone else would have been prosecuted. You don’t care though. I’m done for the weekend ! Have a good one.
@Trevor Cooke: well I think it’s refreshing to hear Trump supporter recognising the importance of the position and the election there – but how you think he’s the one to ‘save the entire western civilisation’ is beyond logic – lets just say I dont agree with you on that point…at all :-)
@Trevor Cooke: well I think it’s refreshing to hear Trump supporter recognising the importance of the position and the election there – but how you think he’s the one to ‘save the entire western civilisation’ is beyond logic and very much reflects his campaign speech today so at least your on message – but lets just say I dont agree that Trump is the one to save our civilisation – he actually to sound more and more desperate as the election looms.
It is Dave :) I think it’s illogical when I construct entire arguments debunking many claims and its ignored. You raised the point saying I made a BS accusation of a SuperPAC funding a Clinton poll, but I’ve provided proof. Also for all the claims I make I can back them up with proof.
All people have ever had to complain about Trump is that he said this and he said that. He is not running to be pope Dave we can not sit around and say we’ve never heard or spoken those words hes used in or out of context. We can’t be under the premise that to hear these words it is horribly shocking beyond belief because it’s not. People are being burned alive and tortured in incredibly inhumane ways in countries across the Middle East, but were here hearing about incredibly unbelievable stories that happened 11 or 30 years ago.
He’s not an almighty god, but the point I’m raising is this little game that is going on in the US and worldwide with the elite and the special interests and the Dems and Republicans is about to change and this is why Trump has so much opposition.
This is the crossroads and this election will determine a lot. It is time to stand up for ourselves in the west and stop the self loathing and appeasement of others, it is crazy it seems like we have completely left the realm of rationale .
Trevor, all that link proves is that a polling company put surveys in the field for a Clinton PAC and NBC. There is no proof that it was the same poll or that the PAC paid for that NBC poll. Campaigns get political strategists to conduct polls for them on a very regular basis.
@Gus Sheridan: LOL. America’s military alone is bigger than the next ten combined. It’s still the world’s largest economy by about $7.5 trillion over China, and California alone would rank as the world’s fifth largest economy. I think your nurse forgot your meds at the old folks home this morning.
@Trevor Cooke: Wake up & smell the roses.Trump is an ignorant to$$pot that hasn’t a clue on how to run a country the size of America.And his many cult members are just as clueless..
It shows one of her SuperPACs is pumping money into a particular polling company and it happens to be NBC that also use that polling company to show an 11 point lead for Clinton. At a time when other polling company were not giving those stats
I’ve already replied to your early comment on the child rapist thing with Clinton. I’ve linked some know bias of snopes which you can lookup on google is if I post the link this comment wont appear. Just to jump back to that thing for a minute.
It is a joke that she laughed because she knew he was guilty and she was close by when key evidence went missing which helped her organize a plea bargain for him. This not the sickest thing the most vile part of the story is that she condemned and destroyed a 12 year old girls credibility even though she knew her client was guilty.
Trevor, as I said all campaigns get companies to conduct polls for them. All you’ve shown is that the PAC and NBC use the same company. A company that 538 gave an A- in their poll rankings
Presidential candidate accuses media of lying for portraying him as a man who gropes and forcibly kisses women after video emerges of him claiming to grope and forcibly kiss women.
Why hasn’t he been arrested ? Questioned. Isn’t that what happens. Here it would. If 6 women had gone to gardai and accused someone of sexual abuse . Wouldn’t the accuser be brought in for questioning. Has Donald Trump.
That tape is inadmissible in court, so he could very much sue the media for libel. Plus it’s very clearly stated in the article that Trump’s legal team are preparing a case against the New York Times.
I’ll admit my knowledge of US litigation laws is limited but I would imagine that would be for the courts to decide. But I do know of examples were previous stuff in the media has formed part of a case.
Shocking the way the media are concentrating on Trumps alleged gropings and not a single word about the Cinton camps leaked emails in which they talk about ‘compliant citzenry waking up’. The emails that prove Clintons collusion with the media owned by her backers. No matter how much one dislikes Trump surely this cannot be considered to be ok ? Why don’t the Obamas just come out and decree Clinton President because that’s the way it seems to be heading.
Pretty sure Graham that if 6 women here made allegations to the gardai against an individual and then that hit the headlines in newspapers. People here , their first thought, would be why hasn’t that person been arrested and questioned. It wouldn’t be , why hasn’t he sued the newspapers.
@Yenreit: that’s something I don’t understand, what’s going on over there. You have all these women being paraded around , giving press conferences,. Media headlines and talking about their sexual abuse at the hands of these men. Yet no arrests , no questionings going on. Surely that’s another slap in the face to these women that the police nothing criminal is going on.
@Graham Kavanagh: again Graham if they had gone to police before the statue of limitations and now again. Why wouldn’t he be arrested and questioned? Surely the police would have to take it serious because its not the first time , they had made complaints.
@LITTLEONE: You could say the exact same about the Bill Clinton allegations as well though, yet Trump sought to gain political advantage from them as well. You cant hold a press conference one week and hold up 4 accusers as paragons of virtue and then moan when the exact same thing happens to you 4 days later.
Why do the victims of rape and sexual abuse fail to come forward to the police immediately after the fact? Well I don’t know, it’s not like the person they have accused is both wealthy and powerful and that a stigma is often attached to the victims of such abuse. It’s not like victim shaming is practically endemic – where women are often blamed for their clothing and appearance for provoking their attack… right?
@Brendan Luke Ferron: absolutely Brendan. Then going on Graham’s and other people assertions. Why hasn’t bill Clinton sued trump for defamation. It’s one messed up situation over there. Accusations galore and no actual action on any of it. Just back and forth it’s going.
@LITTLEONE: Would it? Like all those priests were immediately arrested and brought to trial when those kids told………..oh wait no, that didn’t happen here at all.
@Niamh Kenneally: comparing the catholic church and Vatican against one man there is no comparison. The catholic church here was extremely powerful and they were not something you went up against. In a lot of church abuse cases here against priests , victims often went to the gardai and thankfully now , some of them have got justice . They didn’t get it then but they are getting it now. Somehow doubt in America, trump had sway over police forces and he could have shut down claims against him .
LITTLEONE, don’t bother. The alleged victim would have to report to the police for it to become a criminal matter. Although Trump is going to court as the accused in a rape case. I see you now only care for unproven victims of Bill Clinton but not one bit for those of Donald Trump. “tut tut Trumpy” I hear you whisper while shouting “but Bill”
@Dave O Keeffe: really. Don’t start your nonsense again. Please read my comments. But don’t just talk ridiculous stuff.
When they go low you go high.
Bye
LITTLEONE, Like I said, it has to be reported to police before they can do anything. It the alleged victim doesn’t want a criminal case then their won’t be one. That goes for all sides. I have no idea why you’re having a strop again. You went low the moment you questioned the motive of an alleged sexual assault victim. Especially when the accused has bragged about sexually assaulting women.
@LITTLEONE: I think it’s a perfect comparison.
Substitute Catholic priest for celebrity and child for ‘woman’. There! What’s so different?
Look what happened with Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris and the legions of BBC, etc. presenters who got away for years with being perverts because they were deemed too powerful to touch.
Bill Cosby. Jeffrey Epstein. I could keep going but this is too grim.
If you really can’t see the comparison then try Specsavers.
Niamh . Jimmy saville stripped of his sir title . Exposed as a monster.
Rolf Harris – in prison
Bill Cosby – arrested and questioned.
Jeffrey Epstein served prison time.
BBC DJs jailed.
Max Clifford prison
Not too powerful.
@LITTLEONE: You are willfully ignoring the point. They got away with it for years and we know many people accused them of molesting them before charges were eventually brought.
Simple question Dave and niamh. These people are now in prison. Victims have got their justice.
These crimes happened many years ago and the victims made complaints against their assailants to the police.
Have these 6 women gone to the police with their complaints against Donald trump?
Little one, decades after the facts. Those victims could not fight against those monsters at the time. I’ve been comparing the Trump stuff to Saville and Co for some time now. I’m not a massive fan of Hilary but there are in reality only 2 candidates. To vote for Trump would be to vote for a mysoginistic, loud mouthed, vile bully.
@Jeanette McDonald: decades after the facts , victims of those named above have justice. Those people are now in prison and where they belong. If enough people make a complaint to police in todays day and age . What police would ignore so many?
@LITTLEONE: The 13 year old has and will have her day in court soon.
Maybe the rest will in time – just like in all the cases i’ve mentioned.
You’re still ignoring the point which was that people in power often get away with this stuff for years.
Jimmy Savilles victims got no justice. To say that all of the victims were dealt with fairly is disgusting when many went to police when the incidents occurred and were ignored or laughed at. Until those that covered it up and aided Saville and his ilk are punished the victims will not have justice
@Niamh Kenneally: still haven’t answered.
I am aware of the civil case in relation to the 13 year old .
You ignored my question why?
Ask again
Have these 6 women gone to the police with their complaints against Donald trump?
Yes or no.
If no why not?
Thing’s are lot different today than they were decades ago in relation to sexual abuse.
If again you had read my comments . You would have read this
These people are now in prison. Victims have got their justice.
Twisting what I didn’t say Dave is low.
Still waiting for your answer
Have these 6 women gone to the police with their complaints against Donald trump?
Yes or no.
So Littleone, you’re happy for “justice” to take decades? So the perpetrator has years and years to keep doing what they did? And their “justice” was empty for many, Saville is dead, he wasn’t prosecuted of course just had “sir” stripped from him. If that’s your idea of good timeframes and outcomes I despair.
LITTLEONE, I said that the cover-up is part of the injustice the victims mentioned suffered. Justice delayed is justice denied. How long did they live knowing their attackers were free to harm others? All because they were ignored.
Jeanette. Dear lord I have asked a simple question have these women gone to police to make a complaint against trump
Stop twisting what I am not saying
Dave . Really come on now
Talking about twisting things.
Your refusing to answer
So good luck to you
Deflection 101
LITTLEONE, you’re the one here claiming that Jimmy Saville’s victims weren’t denied justice despite having gone to the police. Do you have any idea how terrifying it would be to go to the police and accuse a very high profile, wealthy and powerful man of anything?
Dave . Give it up. Maybe stop twisting things I didn’t say .
It’s pathetic. Comments are above for all to read .
Really stooping low on your deflection tactics and twisting of things.
My comments are all above and you claiming things that were not said is something else.
In the words of the journal Dave
We encourage committed, passionate and even heated debate on any of the issues or stories that TheJournal.ie covers, but ad-hominem insults or insinuations are not part of this. Play the ball, not the player.
Something you should learn to do
@Jason Culligan:
The NYT are quite happy to take on Trump. The basis of his claim is that it is damaging his reputation, the NYT claim he does not have a reputation to damage……….and they are right. Just look at the bio of his life!
The NYT are on to a winner here and I’ll look forward to you actually admitting you are wrong for once,
but I wont hold my breath for that.
@LITTLEONE: You don’t get to completely ignore the point by pretending not to see it, move the goalposts and then tell me I’m avoiding answering a question.
You seem to be fine with the victims of Savile,etc, getting some justice years after the fact, so you should definitely be fine with Trump’s alleged victims looking for justice now years later. (see how I said ‘alleged’ there).
As to why they have’t already….why are you asking me? Do you suppose I have some private line to them to ask them?
Things aren’t that much different today than decades ago. Look at the smear campaign you yourself are conducting as to the presumed falseness of the claims. If this was the 70′s you’d be backing up Saville, 100%.
I’m not twisting anything, Littleone. I replied to your comments. Comments that needed answering. That’s not twisting. If you’d just asked a question I wouldn’t have said anything. But you swept through with generalisations. They’re what I replied to.
Niamh you refused to answer and then switched like Dave to Jimmy saville.
That’s deflection.
Secondly smear campaign. Who do you think you are.
I asked had the women gone to police.
Hardly a smear since that would be the place for justice.
Really low your going.
Must say you have some weird way of seeing things considering my made this comment 5 hours ago. You accuse me of smearing. Pathetic.
LITTLEONE
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@Yenreit: that’s something I don’t understand, what’s going on over there. You have all these women being paraded around , giving press conferences,. Media headlines and talking about their sexual abuse at the hands of these men. Yet no arrests , no questionings going on. Surely that’s another slap in the face to these women that the police nothing criminal is going on.
Wow Littleone, bit of a persecution complex! A number of people have said similar things to you, we’re not all wrong! I insinuated nothing, merely answered your comments. If you don’t want to debate with the grown ups it’s probably best not to start. Your lack of insight is interesting
You know correct the record tactics don’t work this side of the Atlantic. Maybe you should remember what you write and what others have written. It’s all above. Maybe you should focus more on these women and their pursuit of justice , when all some one does is ask , did they go to the police. Can’t see why that’s put you all in a tizzy and made you come all out at me. But it has.
@LITTLEONE: You’re the only one in a tizzy here, girl. The second you’re getting pinned down to a point you start crying about being a victim. I’d say leave debating to people who can do it without having a hissy fit when they know they can’t answer a question without contradicting themselves.
You might take your own advice too. You accused me of deflecting – you hadn’t even asked a question when I brought up Saville; now you’re telling me I was dodging some question that nobody except those women themselves can actually answer.
So your deflection was to cast out a question nobody could answer, pretend that was the original point and then cry about it. This isn’t great for Trump supporters.
: Oh dear lord niamh. Sure haven’t answered about Jimmy saville. Remember niamh what you write and what others write . It’s all above.
LITTLEONE
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Niamh . Jimmy saville stripped of his sir title . Exposed as a monster.
Rolf Harris – in prison
Bill Cosby – arrested and questioned.
Jeffrey Epstein served prison time.
BBC DJs jailed.
Max Clifford prison
Not too powerful.
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LITTLEONE
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Should have said being powerful enough to have been touched.
Look at where they are today.
Prison
LITTLEONE
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@Jeanette McDonald: decades after the facts , victims of those named above have justice. Those people are now in prison and where they belong. If enough people make a complaint to police in todays day and age . What police would ignore so many
You just love your accusations niamh.
Here’s one for you considering your only ever on trump articles, never any other journal articles.
At least I am . Have been for years .
But then you would know that and if you hadn’t just popped up on the journal recently you would have seen my opinions on trump many times. Instead of just firing out nonsense. It’s pathetic.
But not surprising.
Typical of you littleone- you point out the journals policies on the comments section stating that people posting should “play the ball, not the player” and then no sooner than the virtual ink is dry, you post all but accusing the people you’re arguing with of being people hired by Hillary’s campaign to post on social media attacking Trump supporters. You have no class.
@LITTLEONE: Sorry, I didn’t realise you have squatters rights to the Journal comments pages. You’re wrong that I have only commented on Trump articles, totally wrong, but somehow I must have slipped past your eagle eye.
I wouldn’t be bragging that I’ve spent so much time on one comments board that I know each and every commentor, where they’ve commented and for how long. That’s kinda weird.
My ‘accusation’ is not baseless – count how many comments you have left here implying that the women didn’t go to the police because they’re faking it. It’s heavily implied, especially by the quantity of posts asking the same thing in different ways.
Your extract above is kinda selective – you left out the pertinent part of the conversation but that’s ok – anyone who gives a crap can just read it in the timeline and not your edited version.
But I doubt anyone cares that much. I don’t anyway.
LITTLEONE, you constantly attack others claiming they are not real commentors anytime you get yourself into a corner. All we have put to you is that people aren’t always listened to when they do go to the police about sexual assault against high profile people, we gave you examples and your answer is that decades later some of these people are in jail. The worst offender mentioned never suffered any loss as a result of his crimes. All the victims have is that their story is now believed. Justice delayed is justice denied. Also I’d like to add that the allegations against Saville did not come out as a result of a police investigation either. Rather the police reacting to stories like the ones these women have told.
Trump was the only candidate, however the Clinton Campaign’s PR team have said some pretty nasty things about Trump. For example they’re running with the (legally baseless and potentially libelous) viewpoint that all six allegations are 100% factual and that Trump is a disgusting rapist.
Jason, as is Donald Trump with Bill’s alleged victim and the 12 year old girl that was raped, the story Donald told about Hillary’s part in that is actually libelous
Libel. That is strange I could of swore I only watched that video where Clinton laughed when admitting she knew her client was completely guilty and she then went on to demonize and destroy a 12 year old girls credibility and leave her in a cruel state for the rest of her life. While key evidence of the accusers semen on the defendants clothes also went missing and she managed to pull a plea bargain for him.
Must of just been one of those wacky crazy right wing conspiracies where CNN and Politico email Clinton and ask for approval on questions before interviews or that time they said Hillary had serious health problems, but they were condemned for even suggesting it and then she got thrown into a van like a slice of beef on one of the most important days in the US a day that is supposed to show strength for the country.
@Trevor Cooke: Ever hear of the Central Park 5 case ?
Donald Trump reportedly paid $85,000 to take out advertising space in four of the city’s newspapers, with the headline: “Bring Back The Death Penalty. Bring Back Our Police!” against what turned out to be five young innocent black teenagers ..Has Trump shown any remorse for his actions ? Nope!
This is what he has said earlier this week :“They admitted they were guilty,”
“The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.”
@Dave O Keeffe: exactly , I am all for healthy debate and i respect others opinions -but the Trump supporters here just repeat the same ol crap day after day and it dpesn’t seem to matter what facts they are faced with – one earlier was claiming that Clinton must be FUMING with the polls after all the media frenzy over Trump an dhe was still winning – there are so many polls and Trump is unsurprisingly dropping in them ALL but they just blantantly lie and deny….
Thats just it Jason. Its also shocking that the current Presidents wife spoke about him as if he had been found guilty of a crime and the whole world is cheering her on ??
“Trump’s defence to sex assault claims is to attack US media for “outright lies”
Less than four weeks out from the vote, The Republican candidate is scrambling.”
Regardless of your beliefs on the subject, it’s impossible to deny that this headline and sub-header give no illusions as to what the author thinks of Trump.
All the kings horses and all the kings men, Built humpty dumpty a new wall. A better wall. The best wall ever. With arm rests and ergonomic back support. And they got Mexico to pay for it all.
Did you hear the whistle when the point flew past your head?
Anto is insinuating that the tape released of Trump in 2005 is firm videographic evidence supporting the allegations against Trump. That is not the case.
As usual, you’re assuming that every allegation of rape or sexual assault is a 100% factual claim and that the accused is guilty until proven innocent.
Where’s the criminal case? Where’s the civil case? None of these six women have brought any sort of legal proceedings against Trump.
@Jason Culligan: Oh there’s a shock, Jason Culligan, the guy who believes all the black people in America killed by cops deserved what they got, is on here defending Donald Trump.
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: How in the jebus is looking for evidence victim blaming?
it’s a fundamental tenant of natural justice (and common sense) that any claim of wrongdoing is backed up with evidence.
I despise Trump and everything that he is, but he is still entitled to the same civil rights as anyone else – till PROVEN different
Laura, I would appreciate it if you would cease misrepresenting my viewpoints.
Statistics have shown that, in the vast majority of cases where police used lethal force against a black individual, said black individual was armed and resisting arrest. There are of course cases of unjust or excessive violence and I support prosecuting the officer(s) involved whenever it is proven that they used lethal force unnecessarily. This is, sadly, a minority of cases.
Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: aside from trump, you think a man’s life should be destroyed by the word of someone? If a woman accuses a man he should be automatically presumed guilty?
@Brendan Luke Ferron: Yeah Jesus she left it late didn’t she? Only coming foreward now. LOL People would believe any old bullshite the media writes these days
And sure didnt Michelle Obama chime in yesterday giving her two cents worth on Trump when she herself claims Beyonce as a role model for her daughters, and she sings about “pussy curvalicious, served delicious”
America is a laughing stock with these 2 candidates.
@David Newman: Seriously? Do you think the issue is that Trump said the word ‘pussy’? Because it’s not, the issue is that what he was speaking about doing is sexual assault. And no, I’m not a Beyonce fan, but to equate the two makes zero sense.
Hey Ian, that’s actually perfectly correct. And within ANYONE’S right as long as it’s THEIR choice to spread their legs!
Trump on that tape made it REALLY clear he doesn’t wait for consent.
You really seem to have an issue with that bit.
Beyonce describes consensual situations, Trump does not. He describes sexual assault where he is depending on the power structure with him at the top to avoid consequences.
He never said on the tape that he forces them to do anything without their concent, he talks about trying it on and being refused a couple of times, he says they’ll let you do anything, you seem to just hear/read what you want.
re: Nancy O’Dell, all he said was he never managed to f$$$ her even though he really tried. But we don’t know just what he “tried”.
But in the next sentence he says EXACTLY what he does is; “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Bush: “Whatever you want.”
Trump: “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
Or did you manage to just ignore that bit!
Honestly the weird pretzel shapes you lot need to twist yourselves into to try and justify what that man said would be hilarious if not sad and fecking scary. Because it looks to me like you see no problem with that type of behaviour.
“When your a star they let you do it” LET! So if a woman let’s you kiss them, let’s you fondle them it’s still sexual assault? You feminists are getting worse.
DONALD TRUMP, speaking Thursday in West Palm Beach, Fla.: “This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. And this will be our last chance to save it on November 8th. Remember that. This election will determine whether we’re a nation or only — democracy but, in fact, controlled by a handful of special global interests, rigging the system, and our system is rigged. This is reality. You know it, they know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it. “The establishment and their media neighbors wield control over this nation through means that are very well known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, rapist, xenophobe, and morally deformed. They will attack you. They will slander you. They will seek to destroy your career and your family. They will seek to destroy everything about you, including your reputation. They will lie, lie, lie and then again they will do worse than that. They will do whatever is necessary. “The Clintons are criminals. Remember that, they’re criminals. [Crowd chants "Lock her up!"] “This is well documented, and the establishment that protects them has engaged in a massive cover-up of widespread criminal activity at the State Department and the Clinton foundation in order to keep the Clintons in power. Never in history have we seen such a cover-up as this.”
He has said xenophobic, racist, misogynistic comments. They aren’t false accusations. His own exwife said he raped her before he was running. He has been caught lying over numerous things. If you want to deny that or listen to him say it is all untrue that is very strange.
“[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.” – Ivana Trump
If you’re going to accuse Trump of lying, the least you could do is mention the fact that his ex-wife later retracted the rape comment and said that she said it in the heat of the moment during a divorce case and meant it in a figurative sense.
@Kal Ipers:
But never any link to reliable info( such as below) as usual by Kal Lpers
—–”The “statement of Ivana Trump,” provided by the lawyers of Donald Trump and appended as a footnote, appears to claim that when Ivana used the term “rape,” she was referring not to the criminal act of rape, but something else that, even in 2015, remains pretty unclear.—-”
The actual statement can’t be cut+pastable so follow link to read it. http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617
@Jason Doesn’t remove the initial accusation nor the current civil case. It also does not remove what he has said that he is claiming are false like his openly misogynistic comments in the recording or about a reporter. He is claiming they are false claims and they clearly aren’t. He has made comments and is now lying about it. fine if you want to look past them but to deny them is bizzar
“Doesn’t remove the initial accusation nor the current civil case”
Actually it does. When a person claims that they have been raped and then rolls back on that statement later claiming that they meant rape in a figurative sense, that pretty much kills their legitimacy. The initial rape allegation holds no water.
I have in no way denied that his comments and statements are quite misogynistic. That does not mean that the allegations by these six women are factually correct by default. There is still such a thing as the burden of proof which these six accusers have conveniently failed to live up to.
@Jason I have not said the accusations by these women is true or his vile comments prove guilt. I posted a response to his speech where he claimed lies were being said about him. They aren’t lies as he has publicly said. By the way you are holding me to a higher standard then Trump who still claims these people are still guilty.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
I would imagine that this is due to the statute of limitations on perjury which is five years from the date of alleged offense. She backtracked on the rape allegation a number of years after the statute of limitations had already passed.
Jason, there doesn’t need to be a confession in a perjury case. Surely Trump knew she perjured herself. Why didn’t he do anything about it? Rape is a very serious allegation to go unchallenged.
@Jason Culligan:
Reminds me of the an interview the late Caroline Aherne had with Debbie McGee, widow of late Paul Daniels when she asked as part of her show: ” What attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels”.
Ivana knew what side her bread was buttered on and it is to her shame that she decided to put aside basic morals and marry a rapist.
@Neal not Neil: couldnt agree more Neal , thats not something that too many (especially Trump supporters here ) have paid much attention to – but the strategy he used for to win the primaries was to stay on the news cycle by saying outrageous things every day and this gave him massive coverage has just backfired as he need the media to cut him some slack and they will just continue to lash him -
“Less than four weeks out from the vote, The Republican candidate is scrambling.”
Funny, as the last three polls in the US showed that Trump and Clinton were either even or Trump was ahead in spite of this media frenzy.
I notice that the Journal isn’t mentioning anything about how Clinton is being accused through Wikileaks of discussing with the Saudi and Qatari governments about the funneling of arms to ISIS. The lack of balance of reporting from the Journal is just astounding.
Thats just BS Jason and you must know it….if you are going to start quoting polls ….have the balls and honesty to face up to the fact that Trump is falling in all the polls – had been since before the frenzy and has accentuated -check all the dates for the polls – actually it is the COMPLETELY OPPOSITE to what you claim…..Trump is down in all the polls this week – the poll he is tied (LA TIMES ) he had been ahead by 4 – going from +4 to tied is a drop…..even Fox news Poll have Clinton ahead by 8 points….. I know that Trumo supporters love quoting polls when he is going up and then mis represent them or discredit them when he is going down….such BS…
Dave, there was a Rasmussen 3 day poll covering monday-wednesday that was released yesterday morning showing Trump to be in the lead but it was within the margin of error
@Dave O Keeffe: I am sure there was , just add that into the poll of polls listed in RCP and watch the trend , Rasmussen had Trump 5 points ahead a month ago – so if he is tied now in that hes down 5 in a month – which mirrors the trends in most other polls , FOX , NBC , Washington Journal etc etc – as I said previously if your going to make a big deal with polls and trends in polls ( which was doing ad naseeum during september ) then you have to suck it up when you drop in the same polls – some of the pro trump posters here were just blatantly trying to portray them as being different to the reality this week – hes been dropping and all the evidence shows that – theres a few weeks left so lets see – but FFS dont try insult my intelligence with BS like saying Clinton must be fuming with the polls this week as thats delusional and BS.
Dave, I agree, I’m just saying that the poll does exist but it is an outlier. I don’t put much stock in it either. I’ve seen Rasmussen ask some questions that were clearly tilted like “which do you think is worse, accusations against Bill Clinton or what Donald Trump said on the bus?”
Hilary Clinton is the personification of Evil.
A vote for Hilary is a vote for war, death, corporate lies, higher taxes and the end of democracy.
There are two types of people who will vote for Hilary Clinton.
Deluded feminists and self loathing men.
@Patrick J O’CONNOR:
Latest Rasmussen Reports
—–”The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.—-” http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13
Good man Pat. Ignore the fact that all but one GE poll has Clinton winning and select the one single outlier that supports your view. (source is real clear politics – front page of polls tab)
Would that be the articulate, intelligent, classy First Lady you’re talking about? If this lady were running she’d beat the hell out of Trump. It’s a shame neither candidate is of her calibre.
Probably because the accusations have no merit. Notice how not one of them is resulting in a civil lawsuit against Trump? Even when the burden of proof is far lower in a civil case, not one of the six accusers is launching a lawsuit against Trump.
Believe it or not this happens to women every day. A man can grab you, make inappropriate comments, rub against you but to go to the police against such a powerful man for a bit of a feel with hardly any consequences is a waste of time. The victim is usually tarred and made out that she deserved it. Why do you think rape has such a low conviction rate and a lot goes unreported. These women feel they can talk now because he has been caught admitting this. Still you don’t believe it. Goes to show you.
You’re right Deborah, I’m a horrible person because I refuse to accept the words of a few individuals released at an opportune time with no supporting evidence to back up their claims. I mean it’s not like a false accusation of rape has ever been leveled against an individual…
Conviction rates are low for rape because our legal systems dictate that evidence is required before an individual can be found guilty. No evidence means no legal conviction.
At least four of the women used Anderson Coopers questioning and Trumps subsequent denial of any action on his words as the trigger for coming forward.
@Deborah Behan: You’re advocating that a claim of wrongdoing – without any evidence – is good enough? Not in a million years Deborah. Not even for Trump/
LITTLEONE couldn’t defend those that made unproven allegations against Bill enough yesterday amd now here she is tearing strips off the alleged victims of an actual candidate. Stay classy toddler. That mental gymnastics gold medal is surely yours for the taking.
In the words of journal Dave.
We encourage committed, passionate and even heated debate on any of the issues or stories that TheJournal.ie covers, but ad-hominem insults or insinuations are not part of this. Play the ball, not the player.
@Jason Culligan: Is it just a big coincidence that a man who bragged on camera about forcibly grabbing and kissing women now has some of those woman coming out and saying it happened?
LITTLEONE, your bias is showing. Trump’s alleged victims must not be believed because they didn’t go to the police. Clinton’s alleged victims must be believed because they are victims
@Patrick J O’CONNOR: As you haven’t put them up in awhile,I decided that I would have to have a look for them.So,here they are -Trumps latest odds : 5/1 .
“They let you do it” what the fcuk part of that do not understand, creepy way I discuss women? No just pointing out very very common accurance when women meet a rich powerful man
“Oh the media are against me! The media are against me!”
Trump is nothing but a whiney little bitch. Caught out with words he’s said himself. About women. About ten year olds, for f*** sake. But no, it’s the “media.” The dummies who still support him are clinging on like Patty Hearst and the SLA. Absolutely delusional, the lot of them.
These women should have to provide evidence that these sexual assaults took place, if they can then fair enough, if they can’t prove these claims then they should be prosecuted for defamation of character.
Dave, this may surprise you but there are laws in place which protect individuals from defamation. If you make a claim about an individual in public which is potentially damaging to their reputation, there is a burden of proof on you as a claimant to back up your claims.
If these women cannot provide evidence that Trump sexually assaulted them after claiming as such in front of world media, then they have defamed Trump illegally and could face significant lawsuits.
Jason, all I said was just because it hasn’t been proven to us doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Also, if he brings a defamation case then the burden of proof is on him, not the defendant. As is proven by the libel case he lost when he couldn’t prove he was worth more than $250 million.
have you read the reply from the New York times —they have very made it very clear they stand by their story and would welcome the opportunity for a day in court with Trump and his lawyers
A candidate for President has bragged about sexually assaulting women. This is not about politics anymore its about how did someone like this ever get into this position in the first place
Trump, you’re a disgusting person, a bully, a disgrace. You use tactics that should be nowhere near a presidential race, and then complain when they backfire on you. Media conspiracy? No Donald, you’re just a horrible person who has committed a string of horrible actions that are now coming back to haunt you.
Trump is facing a rape trial in December, he has admitted there are more tapes of him being bigoted in some way, shape or form, and he bought his ex-wife’s silence after he forced himself on her.
All you trolls on here – Jason, Littleone, etc., face it – you’re defending a sexual predator running for office. The man ADMITTED walking into the changing rooms at MS. TEEN USA and Ms. Universe to ogle women changing. His ADMITTANCE is corroborated by THE GIRLS TAKING PART IN THE PAGEANTS. I sincerely hope this never happens to your daughters or wives or girlfriends if you have them. But I truly, sincerely hope that none of you ever reproduce, or have the opportunity to reproduce, or are ever in the company of women by yourselves given your attitudes toward women. You are disgusting, low-life vermin, each and every one of you. And BTW, your Cheetoh Jesus is going to lose, and lose HUUUUUUGE. America is home to a lot of ill-educated dim bulbs, yes, just not that many. America also put a man on the moon.
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