“..will emerge”? Your implication is clear, so why not just say it overtly?

Exactly

There are no nations.

couldnt have said it better myself ian.

Conflict = money. Unfortunately.

A bit like us posters on journal.ie!!!!

“I don’t condone violence but….” Where have I heard that before?

People have said that every year since things went downhill. I’m guessing there’ll be lots of complaining and business as usual.

Not here Daragh. There is no level of abuse that the Irish people will not take.

However most of the people in Europe are not that weak or cowardly or willing to let their children’s futures dissolve in front of them. Spain is heading for 30% unemployment. Will Spain’s youth sacrifice their future and any hope of a job just to keep the people in top looking like good Europeans.

Asia is the new market and workshop. Europe is saturated and its workers(labour units)too expensive.
Capital is mobile, thats why US capital has sweet fa loyalty to the US and has hollowed it out Romney-fashion for the greener pastures of way out yonder.
Everyone is dispensable and everything is disposable to these ‘players’. Including the planet itself. Their drug is power, and money is liquid power. And like any junkey they will go to the grave for a fix. Even our collective grave as a species.

Irony in a british imperial Tory warning of the dangers of ‘extreme nationalism and conflict’.

Gold Oil Weapons Debt Food Education that’s the play Damien.

Dont leave out opium, cocaine, trafficked people(back to the slave trade)and fabricated financial instruments like the bundled split derivatives. http://www.treasureislands.org gives the partial laundry list.

Under what basis is a former Labour Councillor and Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats a Tory?

Really, I’m intrigued.

Even David Cameron isn’t a Tory. He’s a Whig.

Under the same basis that Eamonn Gaelmore and Pet Rabbitte are blueshirt Tories, despite what it says on their tin.

I hope that clarifies it to your satisfaction. Spades being spades.

They’re Tories in the sense of a redefinition of the word “Tory” purely under your control?

You’re pushing the pedantics today, Damocles.
In the sense they are in bed with Tory party conservatives and are simply time-serving adjuncts making up the numbers for their millionaire and corporate masters. No, I use a dictionary, the term is accepted as I am using it.
And in the sense that his bedfellows have been opportunists and anti the European experiment( a quite valid stance)since its inception.

If you wish you can take it back to its origins as a term for Irish outlaws. If so, in that sense they are ascended into money-heaven where the price of lawyers is always at hand to ensure evasion of consequences for actions, provided they don’t break ranks, and actions are in conformity with class norms.

I was tending towards the modern definition as one of the two main strands of thought in the modern UK Conservative party, seeing as it’s in relation to a UK politician. If you want to go back to the 17th Century definition do that. Have fun with it. Tell us how you get on.

I just did. It was a chore.
The things I do for the ungrateful pedants.

It still does not mean that it will not happen. The EU/ECB and Germany and the Northern countries are not willing to pay to save the Euro.

The IMF has come around to the view that the scale of austerity at this stage is destroying economies.

Spain is heading for 30% unemployment.

If Spain and Italy leave, devalue they have the strength, especially wealthy Italy, to come back strongly. They will not do that in the Euro.

We are going to see if Spanish social cohesion can survive with 30% and rising unemployment.

I do that to your comment Dom

Don’t underestimate the power of the Right to remobilise national hatreds if it becomes expedient.
You can be well sure it has been gamed and rehearsed. Yugoslavias and Rwandas don’t take long to spark.

That civil unrest is precisely the energy they will direct, lest it be directed at them.

Yugoslavia and Rwanda were internal.

Europe has been doing ‘internal’ for centuries. And external, often simultaneously.

Your an idiot

You’re*

Who’s the idiot now?

Still you

“Those scare mongering Savages want a war to happen.” The Lib Dems want a war? They’d just hide under the table if one did.

No they’d stay at the club…and send the usual workers’ kids to cut each other down in the name of all thats holy.

Godwin’s Law