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Ulster Bank: significant delays expected next week but normal service by 16 July

Ulster Bank’s parent group believes the technical issues will be fixed for the vast majority of customers by July 16.

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ULSTER BANK’S PARENT group the Royal Bank of Scotland plc has issued a more detailed update on the technical failure which has led to delays in customer payments over the past fortnight.

The unresolved crisis will continue to affect clients for at least another week, according to management.

In this morning’s statement, RBS said customers will continue to experience significant delays this week and next (starting 9 July) but “gradual” and “noticeable” improvements are expected over that period.

They added: “It is our expectation that by the week of the 16 July, the vast majority of customers will return to a normal service, barring any residual reconciliation required.”

Daily updates will be issued to customers over the next two weeks.

The bank also noted that “it is not, and has never been, the case that all Ulster Bank services are unavailable”. “A number of core banking systems have continued to operate as normal throughout the incident.”

Chief executive Jim Brown acknowledged that customers are frustrated, adding that they “are right to be”.

“Our efforts to fix this are paying off and over the last few days we have been able to gain a much clearer picture about when we expect all systems to be largely back to normal,” he said.

We apologise again to our customers and all those people who have been affected by this problem. We appreciate the patience that has been displayed and we will keep everyone informed as we make progress.

Brown also thanked a number of other banks who have provided assistance to the group as it tries to process “vital payments”.

The catastrophic software glitch began on 19 June and RBS has said that significant resources have now been shifted from within the group to Ulster Bank.

In recent days speed in bringing accounts up to date has increased significantly. For example, over last weekend we cleared another 2 days of backlog and this week we have cleared payments which will allow customers to see a material improvement in the information they have. This compares to several days to clear a single days’ transactions at the start of the incident.

Meanwhile, Central Bank officials will face questioning about the ongoing Ulster Bank debacle when they appear before an Oireachtas committee today.

More: Some Ulster Bank customers’ bills not paid for last fortnight>

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Comments (39 Comments)

  • Ill believe it when I see it…

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  • This is unacceptable! I left another incompetent bank to come to UB & this happens! They had better make sure I’m not out of pocket or I’ll seek legal advice. Haven’t been paid since June 14th & my landlord isn’t patient. Will they refund any direct debits that will come out as I had to pay them manually? I couldn’t get my balance yesterday but today I get a letter telling me I missed 1 loan repayment & yes you guessed it… The loan is with UB! Pretty quick off the mark there lads. Some serious grovelling will be required in order to not close my account!

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  • Credited with child benefit yesterday only to find it taken back this morning! What’s that about?? This is from an account with no dd or standing orders set up on it. I’m so stressed about how I go about proving monies that should have been credited to my accounts.

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  • Translations:

    “..by the week of the 16 July, the vast majority of customers will return to a normal service, barring any residual reconciliation required.”
    = ‘sometime between the 16th and the 22nd some of this will be fixed for some people, unless it’s not.”

    “it is not, and has never been, the case that all Ulster Bank services are unavailable”
    =’you can still sometimes see your balance, even if it’s nonsense, or you can come in to a branch and beg for money’

    “A number of core banking systems have continued to operate as normal throughout the incident”
    =’We have still been able to send out notices about non-payment of your mortgage, even though we caused the non-payment’

    More shite raining down on the previous pile of it.

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  • just fed up i to haven been paid since the 15th of june and my daughter has her debs the 19th of july i am in a heap and im sorry doesnt help!

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  • Can we really believe anything that comes from the UB PR spin who is the ‘vast majority’ is it 50% + …. I know I can not I do feel sorry for the workers on the ground . If I had a choice I would leave UB but the wokers in the local branch are fantastic and i can not fault them

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  • Poulsen 04/07/12 #

    So this is the end of Ulster Bank then. I just moved my bank account elsewhere.

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  • Amazing, my salary won’t go into my account, yet in the midst of it all, my rent comes out of an overdraft I’m not supposed to have. Outrageous.

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  • Will they have any customers left by the 16th?

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  • They have a bouncer in my Local Branch in Sandyford ! Staff behind the desk are saying it should be fixed by Monday July 9th but the Website July 16th it might be!!! Opened an AIB account this morning , now trying to contact all my Direct Debit Accounts to sort out payment. Will take out the 500 max euro they allow you and start logging it in but AIB charge you 30 cent per loggment
    UB Costing me money!!!

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  • I’m not with UB, but my OH is. I’m urging her to move her account. Some people will and some won’t. As a nation we need to be a bit more vocal about things like this and complain, not just on here, but to the bank(s). I don’t trust any of the Irish banks anymore, even less the government.

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  • As someone who banks with Natwest in the UK I can tell you that the issue was sorted out within pretty much a week over here, where I am sure they have far more customers than in with UB in Ireland. Basics

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  • As someone who banks with Natwest in the UK I can tell you that the issue was sorted out within pretty much a week over here, where I am sure they have far more customers than with UB in Ireland. Which makes me think that they don’t give a sh*t about UB customers because well, there’s far less of you and you’re Irish.

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  • Was onto one of my Direct debit depts, they said the accounts dept has not yet had any issues with debiting an Ulsterbank account , I was going to pay via Credit card but there’s a high chance I could still be Direct Debited ; we decided to leave it and let them come back to me if they cannot access my account , just concerned about the car insurance , last thing you want is an accident and find out you are not insured because Ulster bank cannot process your direct debit; bloody mess! Taking out all my Salary , between two minds to leave enough to cover direct debits or pull it all and settle up when UB are back to normal! Then close the account

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  • Operative word there is “FROM” week of 16 july….Shur that could mean weeks more of misery for people beyond 16th….!!!!

    Then again 16 july…Which year ???

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  • So last in the queue to get RBSs attention actually means equal treatment according to UB. Mmmm my maths may not as good as a bankers but I always thought last meant last.

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  • FED UP WITH THEM, fed up with their lies, fed up with Government, fed up with Central Bank…….it took the Irish government what? All of 15 mins to phone around the Dail members to inform that they/we were going to nationalize the banks when they were in crisis but they’re fine to let this limp along for another week (maybe?!?!) well it’s not good enough…..seriously I mean SERIOUSLY how gullible do they think we are?? People & business alike are suffering from this “computer glitch”. So annoyed right now EVEN a lottery win wouldn’t get me out of this mood because I wouldn’t trust any bank with the funds!!!!!

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  • “Brown also thanked a number of other banks who have provided assistance to the group as it tries to process “vital payments”.”

    Of course we now hear the rumours that there is a gentlemans agreement between the banks that they won’t try and poach customers from UB and they are “accommodating” each other. Nod and wink because each of these banks knows that they could be next to experience this.

    Banks and their management are incompetent. The bail outs should have told us this years ago and now we have this situation (and I expect will happen again). It’s time for harder regulation and get the banks back to basics – serving society and not themselves.

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  • This is an absolute disgrace. I do not accept the line that this was caused by a routine system patch being applied. My own opinion is that they don’t know the root cause of this issue, that this issue was caused by something more malicious and they are chasing their tails trying to cover up what is clearly a major breach of their systems. The people than run this bank need to be held accountable for this fiasco. They and their back are clearly not fit for purpose.

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    • The “line” that this was caused by a routine patch is
      (a) Not the actual line – which is that it was caused by an inexperienced outsourced worker in India backing out a routine patch that didn’t go well, and managing to delete the entire batch schedule in the process;
      (b) Completely believable to anyone who works in IT, to the point where something like this has been informally predicted for some time now;
      (c) Not an excuse for management, but a far more serious charge against them; because it was mangagement who made the outsourcing decision.

      If it was an outside agency successfully managing to breach Ulster Bank’s systems, that would mean they were the victims of a crime; but if it was because they cut costs by firing the experienced staff who kept everything running, then this was purely their fault and their fault alone.

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  • Ulster Bank did not avail of the state bank guarantee by their own choice as they are a British bank. It would be interesting how this would all play out had they availed of the bail out.

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  • When possible people should take their money out of this bank. Combined with the global scale and consciously structured fraud that is being on unmasked, and that lies at the heart of our current crisis, maybe it time ordinary people began to think about how much control/impact these institutions and organisations have over our everyday lives. They arent around because they care. Its also clear the people we pay handsomely to represent us have little interest in changing the power dynamic here.

    When we work but cant get paid simply because banks mess up, we need to think again
    When nation states across the EU are in debt because banks mess up, we need to think again
    When there is growing inequality and poverty whilst bankers get bonus totaling billions, not only do we need to think again, we best realise we are living in a sick society that need fixing.

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  • every time I log into my account I’m more and more overdrawn…can’t even go to a local branch and try and sort something as I’m a student in England. Was told on live help that the only way to get access to any possible money coming into my account was to go to an ULSTERBANK branch, which there are none of here in Luton.

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  • I think to be fair there’s a bit more goin on then were bein told!!!!! Technical glitch?? Eh I doubt it!!!

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  • i fear that Ulster Bank shan’t be around much longer.
    Maybe its an elaborate scheme by RBS to exit the Irish market? Sure weren’t they snubbed by Biffo when they were excluded from the bank guarantee? (if i remember correctly)

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