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Staff reject AIB plans for pay freeze and pension changes

The IBOA says the proposals are not acceptable, but the bank – which holds its AGM today – says costs must be cut.

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A TRADE UNION representing staff at AIB has rejected plans from the bank to extend a three-year pay freeze for another two years, as well as proposed changes to pensions and other benefits.

The Irish Bank Officials Association said a ballot of members on whether to comply with proposed changes, announced two weeks ago, had shown that staff were “virtually unanimous in their rejection” of the proposals.

It added that an “overwhelming majority” were prepared to take legal action to prevent the plans, while a “substantial majority” were prepared to take industrial action if changes were imposed without staff agreement.

IBOA general secretary Larry Broderick said the ballot served as a “wake up call for AIB’s senior management and for the Government”, which owns 99.8 per cent of the bank, “on the need to engage meaningfully with this Union”.

The union said the negative reaction to the plans, outlined in a staff circular from chief executive David Duffy, was not surprising given “the litany of issues” that arisen in recent years, such as retention payments to senior staff, the failure to award contracted increments, and spending of over €100 million on consultancy.

IBOA has called on the bank’s – which holds its Annual General Meeting today – to engage with it to address its members concerns and to “provide a fair deal to stay for those staff who will remain in the Group”.

In a statement this morning AIB said it needed to “continue our focus on reducing costs” and to ensure that “the cost base of the bank is more properly aligned to the operating performance of the Group”.

It said the measures were required to “ensuring the future viability of the bank so that over time we can generate a return to taxpayers for their significant investment in the bank”.

The bank has received €20.7 billion from the government through various means.

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Comments (47 Comments)

  • In a state owned Bank? Are they serious???

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    • I don’t see the issue here. The article states that there is a three year pay freeze in place already, what the workers are rejecting is a change to that contract.nAccording to our political leaders we cannot change the contracts of bondholders, we must pay up. So why should ordinary workers (taxpayers) accept changes to their individual contracts when the same business owner (the state) insists that the taxpayer will honour all debts to bondholders.nThis is not about extra pay, it is about being piss*d on, again and again and again. Its about saying no more! It’s about standing up for what is right and just.n

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    • AIB have been hiring new staff in my friend local branch
      Whats going on?

      Give the depositors back their money.
      Withdraw government assistance from this private business
      and let it sink.

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    • Sorry typo
      friends

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  • Sorry but I don’t believe AIB has the money to pay its staff without the taxpayer, does it?

    Ok, time has come, dissolve the company, give the staff mandatory redundancy and not a cent more and sell of the loan books. I understand that turkeys don’t vote for Christmas but the sheer arrogance and sense of entitlement on display from these broken banks makes me sick.

    These people would not have a job to go to now if it weren’t for the taxpayer and when the prospect of no increments arises, but keeping their jobs regardless, they say they basically want more money to run a broken business.

    Nope, sorry, not good enough. Get rid of that sham and consign Allied Irish Banks to the stain on Irelands history that it appears it wants to be.

    The government own thes banks, they’re not protected by the croke park agreement so here’s hoping they’re made an example of.

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    • Have to agree with you Winston, I don’t think it’s fair that everybody has to pay more in taxation next year just so they can have a pay increase.

      Can we stop stop with the “Turkeys and Christmas” thing, it’s doing my head in.

      But well said again.

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    • We should consider closing the Bank down, if the staff don’t want to work there.

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    • I can understand the immediate public reaction being outrage but balance why they made that decision on mass despite the economic situation..

      I would hazard a guess that for most they figure they have nothing to loose as a lot of them are on 28k meaning about ?420 net wkly which would put them even in the revised ESRI report of being better off unemployed especially if they have kids and need to see doctor + meds etc..

      I would imagine they also find it gauling that the senior management have actually got their bonuses never mind cuts.

      The government need to take another cut to reflect the situation we are in before rolling out any more cuts. This would help domestically and our image internationally especially when asking for relief on debts.

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    • Shayno, some fair points, but we are not talking about cuts we are talking about pay increases. I don’t think they would have a lot of general support if they went out on strike.

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    • Firstly, these workers are members of a union so immediately to me that surmises that they are not exactly the top earning fat cats that we like to associate with banks but more the likely the lowly clerical workers already on average wages paying increased taxes like the test of us!nnSecondly, they are already enduring a pay freeze.nnThirdly, are the managers still getting a bonus? Cos of so if I was one of those workers I bloody hell would refuse to take a pay cut till those management types copped themselves on!

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    • Tony, no mention of a pay cut, but an extension of a pay freeze. Which considering they are being propped up doesn’t seem like that bad of a deal.

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    • Pierce, where in the article does it say that they are looking for a specific pay rise? It doesn’t! It states they don’t want an end to their pay freeze! nn3 years without any increment even in line with inflation is rather a crux bere and I for one don’t blame them!

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    • Shanyo I don’t know why people are quoting this Government spin that you are better off on the dole. I got €258 on Tuesday and after paying my rent contribution that leaves me with €155 for the week. Add in my ESB and rubbish collection that leaves €145 or about €20 per day. Do you seriously think that I am better off on the dole than in a job? The medical card is handy but only if you are sick so why do people think it’s such a benefit? Do you think the unemployed of Ireland are paying daily visits to their doctor or their local hospital just to get value for money?

      There are incentives to come off the dole for people like me such as tax breaks and getting to keep my medical card. These are not “free” as people harp on about as I was in employment for 18 years and payed my dues just like the vast majority of other unemployed people. In fact for anyone who received college fees, free or subsidized school transport or children’s allowance etc in the last 18 years then they were the ones getting “free” money off me and the rest of the now unemployed.

      If anyone in AIB has a problem working for them just let me know where to send my CV. In return I will give you the inside track of how to get around the myriad bureaucracy that is the Government when you are signing on to this supposed life of luxury. If I don’t fit your job description then I’m sure that you will find a suitable candidate amongst the other 450,000 people who are in the same shit as me.

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    • From what I know they had their performance related pay 5/10% taken 3 yrs ago with the pay freeze since then (in their job targets not bank earnings) This was part of their contract.

      It appears contracts only matter if your in the upper echelons of society.

      Management have continually found ways to pay their own bonuses since then.

      I have nothing to do with the banking industry thank god, just want people to know the facts before judging the sort of people who struggle on whilst getting kicked in the teeth along the way.

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    • @ Brian, at know point would I suggest that the dole is a good place to be financially or for state of mind as I have argued before on here.
      I was merely stating for demonstrated purposes that the struggle on low pay can be equally as tough.. They are both a struggle.

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    • Tony, if they are not looking for a pay rise, why would it matter if there is a pay freeze?

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    • It would matter significantly for the matters I have already stated, eg…inflation

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    • Salaries shouldn’t automatically go up or down depending on inflation, maybe you think they should but I couldn’t agree. But lets say they did in the case of A.I.B., the 23,000 employees would need about 2% for the next two years. So lets say that’s about 4.5% when compounded. If you take Shayno’s figure of 28K Euro per average employee then that comes to an additional roughly 30million Euro. This money will have to come from the public purse, I think we could find better ways to spend the money. I don’t care how much somebody earns or what kind of bonuses they get as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

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  • Let’s be fair here. If the profits are evident then those on front line lower pay deserve not to have a pay cut. A pay freeze these days in a loss making business is what a bonus used to be.

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    • Sorry, if it makes a profit I’d prefer the money to be paid back to the tax payers who bailed it out, rather than on staff who have secure jobs (no compulsory redundancies) and better than average wages for the type of job they do, or courses the senior management should also get pay cuts

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  • Are these the cuts that apply only to the lowest paid workers and leave the upper level practically untouched?

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  • Its disappointing that people use what happened to them as justification to accept a wrong on others.
    I got mugged the other day so you should too.. Its a desperate picture of what we are turning into..

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  • Obviously no one has told the staff of AIB that the company is bankrupt. Same delusional unions doing the same old rounds.

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  • well tough on them. It’s a recession and they should be getting paycuts. Wake Up

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  • I am a plant operator in conduction my rate was 18 euro plus over time now I get 10 euro a hour no overtime flat rate for all hours if I complain I’d be fired on the spot

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    • You seem to be bizarrely proud of your submission. So you bent over and took it.

      Why should anyone take their lead from you? Were you in a (good) union? Did you join one since? Did you vote against political parties who policies target low and middle-income earners?

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  • tough cookies, we have all had to do it at some point over the last few years,

    they are lucky enough to still have a job, let alone a job in the banking sector!

    if they dont like it they can leave…..

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  • mel 28/06/12 #

    Most people would kill for a pay freeze
    I’m self employed and have taken a 40% pay cut with no pension ,these people are living in cloud cookoo land

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    • so what if u took a pay cut does that mean everyone has to because u did

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    • No Alan, it means if you want a pay rise, get the hell out of the banking sector that is being completely propped up with public monies. Its very simple really. These organisations are vastly non entities without the massive bailouts they have achieved. So to turn around and expect a pay rise from an organisation so far devoid of being financially sound is …. wait for it…. wait for it….. laughable.

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  • how much did aib lose last year. get a grip lads

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  • Both sides are on a hiding to nothing with this one.

    I have one general question though:
    If only senior bankers should take a pay cut when a bank is making massive losses (they made the bad decisions after all, not the everyday worker), should these same senior bankers take most of the profits in pay rises and dividends when times are good?

    I mean, if we can agree that when management take good decisions, the ordinary workers deserve to be rewarded for executing those decisions, then is it acceptable to say “workers shouldn’t take a share in the losses, they were just doing their jobs and following orders.

    It seems to me that many people believe that only high earners should take all the paycuts, for no other reason than they earn more than them.

    A pay freeze and the loss of a few perks is a pretty good deal to have on the table in these uncertain times. I work for a very profitable company that provides no lifestyle perks.

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  • My wages have been cut in half yes half ,, let them strike ,, they forget if it was not for the Irish ppl they would not have a job

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    • Scarr 28/06/12 #

      What were you being paid originally?

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    • so what if u took pay cut what’s that to do with story

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    • Your wages have been cut in half, so, it seems, you want others to suffer too.

      How about you grow a backbone and stand up for yourself and your colleagues, instead of criticising the few workers who don’t buy into the anti-union brainwashing and are prepared to make a stand for themselves and their families?

      These are not the bank management who engineered the crisis. They are like most of the rest of us, people who earn their living through work, not dividends and bonuses. They are entitled to fight for their pay and conditions.

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  • finbar m 28/06/12 #

    So Tony we should give them a nice pay rise ,,

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  • finbar m 28/06/12 #

    Sorry construction

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  • I take it the red thumbs down for my comments are from AIB staff sitting on there arses in work !!!

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  • If AIB is state owned now, aren’t these people technically public sector workers? Or do other rules apply here?

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    • The state also owns ESB, Coillte, etc. and their employees are not public sector.

      From what I can see you have 4 categories (I am open to correction) of Government ‘ownership’

      Civil Servants – this the administrative arm of the state – social welfare, finance, revenue, etc.
      Public Servants – the operation arm of the state – Fire services, Gardai, Hospitals, local services etc.
      Semi Sate – state owned ‘servies’ run on a profit bases – forests, electricity, water, etc.
      Strategic investment – aerlingus, AIB, Anglo

      Not sure where to put in quangos, enterprise ireland, etc.???

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