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Speculating on second bailout ‘profoundly unhelpful’ – Howlin

The Minister says speculation about a possible second bailout for Ireland was unhelpful – but concedes that Ireland’s position is “buffeted by external realities”.

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THE MINISTER FOR Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin has described any speculation about a possible second bailout for Ireland as “profoundly unhelpful”.

Speaking on Newstalk’s Breakfast programme this morning, Howlin said the aim of the current administration had always been to meet the terms of Ireland’s bailout agreement while trying to negotiate a better deal.

He said he expected conditions to be favourable enough for Ireland to return to the markets next year, but conceded that Ireland’s position was “buffeted by external realities”.

Enormous benefits

Howlin said Ireland had seen “enormous benefits” as a result of the Croke Park deal, and added that he would continue to engage with unions.

The second annual report by the body over seeing the implementation of the Croke Park deal was published on Wednesday, and showed that savings to the taxpayer worth €920 million in its second year of operation. It reported that public sector staffing levels have been reduced by 17,300 in the first two years of the deal, and by 11,530 in the review’s second year, covering the months of April 2011 to March 2012.

The public pay bill fell by €650 million in those 12 months, with the report saying that the savings would still stand at €521 million for 2012 even if recruitment following February’s spate of retirements filled all the possible vacancies.

Lending

Today the Minister reminded small-and-medium-sized business owners that capital was earmarked for loans at the country’s two pillar banks – AIB and Bank of Ireland - and said applicants who had had requests refused had a right to appeal such decisions.

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Comments (34 Comments)

  • Talk about a 2nd bailout wasn’t deemed ‘profoundly unhelpful’ during the Fiscal Treaty campaign Mr. Howlin now was it.? In fact your Government went out of their way to mention that we wouldn’t be able to access ESM funding (incorrectly) for a 2nd bailout!

    Have we turned ANOTHER corner?

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  • Is it too much to ask for just a little honesty in Politics.
    We all new we would need a second bailout.

    Once again our politicians continuously lie to us!

    Wake Up Ireland!

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  • And speculation about the first bail out was ” profoundly unhelpful” in fact minister howlin is” profoundly unhelpful” and as for appealing decisions with the banks” which part of no don’t u understand” jumps to mind .

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  • I hope people remember this nonsensical waffle when the next election comes around. We all bought Labours spin and lies the last time, but never again.

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    • You bought Fianna Fail spin 3 times.
      You bought Fine Gael / Labour spin this time.
      Seems like you buy alot of spin.

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    • Sean, for many years I believed FF were running the country well and I was proven wrong. They spun a yarn and I believed it up until maybe late 2006/2007. For a while after that I believed Labour had the best interests of the working people in mind, but as we see now when they are in power I was wrong. I bought their spin and lies, in the same way as a large swathe of the population. I do not see anything wrong in being open about that. This uncertainty has become intertwined in modern Irish politics, where promises are something that are bandied about and discarded with ease. I am sorry if my political uncertainty annoys you. We can’t all have your political blinkers on all the time Sean. Some of us change with the situation, and are not loyal to a party when we realise they have been lying to us…

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  • Greece according to reports will be seeking a 3rd bailout when their new government is formed / takes power. Spain paying record amounts in the bond markets and may end up needing a full bailout. The chances of Ireland being able to return to the markers next year is very remote as things stand. Meanwhile our government says it is talking to the troika, ECB and EU commission on changing the program as agreed. Oddly enough the troika / ECB and the EU commission all deny talks are taking place. Who to believe…..

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  • For Howlin everything seems profound, except of course the adeptness of the government, that deflated, stoner and frightened rabbit of a government that we have. Shame that at a time when we need courageous heroes all we have are yesmen and lazy careerists.

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  • Was a second bailout not the corner stone if the governments Yes campaign ?

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  • Minister Howlin, Denial of the inevitable need for a second bailout is ALSO unhelpful.

    You’re own figures suggest it. You can’t prause the croke park deal enough, yet the amount of “cost saving” (i.e. cuts) you plan will be detrimental to services. It can already be seen in hospitals and schools across the country.

    People are being denied a right to a fair, adequate education and health system because of the cuts you are implimenting! That’s what’s happening NOW!! The targets you want to reach (your apparent key to re enter the bond market) will mean MORE cuts to these services and more, and make the situation SO much worse!!

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  • Can you believe these clowns? After conducting an entire referendum campaign speculating that we’d probably need a second bailout and access to the ESM, now that they’ve got their yes vote…..speculation is ‘unhelpful’.

    After exposing that their strategy of austerity is not working and will not prevent the second bailout, they now want to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

    Well, government speculation of a second bailout helped get them their ‘yes’ vote, so I don’t see the problem with others discussing it.

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  • So we should live in denial and plan for what everybody knows is going to happen.

    Is that the plan,, seriously, i despair!!!!

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  • Why shouldn’t anyone speculate ? How is discussion and debate unhelpful? Should we all cover our eyes and ears and pretend it’s all gonna be fine….

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  • He’s part of a coalition that lied through their teeth to get into power. The second bailout has been on the cards since the first one – we simply can’t afford to service the debt under austerity conditions. A child in school will tell you that. Varadkar said ‘not one more cent’ Gilmore said ‘It’s was Labour’s way’ Enda Kenny had a 5-pint-plan. Fail!

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  • The “Speculation” the first time around was correct…..Howler can spin this any way he wants….Due to Spains Bond Auction interest rates, we will not be back on the markets any time soon….!!!

    So a second bailout it will be….Govt lies & spin will not change this…We had that with the last lot, then the Troika turned up….!!!!

    Fool yourselves once shame on you, fool yourselves twice shame on Govt Spin & Lies

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    • We will need a bailout (@7%) to finance the cheaper bailout (@3%) that we are bailing Spain out with; who will, in turn need another bailout to bail us out with..etc.. and so on..until we get to the point they planned all along. A federal centralized government of Europe and our own federal reserve, run by the very people who created all this mess. And then we will realise that we are in much smaller fish in a bigger tank if sharks. People best swallow their pride and vote for anybody that wants out of Europe no matter who they are.

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  • and NOT PLAN,, i meant to say

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  • Howlin,appointed a Minister of Finance, clueless in economics, hired a PR guy as advisor and broke the guidelines to do so. That’s what he thought a Labour Minister of Finance needed facing into the worse crisis since the Depression, a PR guy!

    This told us many things about the Howlin view of the world. Howlin obviously, thinks tthat he people, through taxes , need to pay for chancers to spin yarns for them, that these yarns are good for the little people who can’t handle the truth,unlike giant intellects like himself.

    It also told us that Howlin thinks the funny money that the Irish upper classes have taken to paying themselves is justified, and not actually a deeply rooted part of the problem he was elected to solve.

    It also told us that he thinks the role of such non-professions as PR has some place in serious social democartic policies, as if the Blair years had never happened and never thought os anything.

    Kenny is there is there and not replaced by a technocrat because his stupidity renders it unnecessary. Likewise, Howlin is there because he was acceptable to FG, and that is not a compliment to someone who has lived well all his adult life as a supposed representative of Labour values.

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  • I love the way we have an economic system where the mere discussion of something, speculation about an event, can cause disaster. Isn’t that an indication that perhaps capitalism isn’t quite the be-all and end-all?

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  • Empty rhetoric and promises while you and others were in opposition were unhelpful Mr.Howlin

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  • Is he engaging with unions while getting paid by unions. I mean the “enormous benefits” he is talking about are enjoyed by himself, top civil servants and union leaders in this country. who is going to pay for all these bailouts that we don’t need. Germany turned its economy around not by bailouts but by reducing pay something that is lost on this fool. He also mentioned but not covered in this story new laws on lobbyists. Which after a year and a half really proves that this government has no intention of bringing accountability and transparity into political life. Although not published yet he wants to follow the model set out in Canada. Taking any accountability away from governments dept and allowing lobbyist themselves to declare their interests. with more exceptions then incursions it should be a “line in the sand” for everyone who want to see change in this country. Cartels rule Canada and that is the standard that this labour minister wants to use in this country. it is a shameful policy allowing more self regulation that will lead to the same problems we have today. Why are ex-td’s allowed free parking and admittance into leinster house. if anyone else looses their job are they allow back into their former place of work? It is truly disgusting what this government is doing. Shame on them!

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  • Liars is all they are and selling out our Country is all they want to do ! Keep the rich richer and send the lower classes to the bread line .

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  • The usual comments from such air heads – of course we need a bailout to cover the massive debt carried. It would be more helpful Mr Howlin, if you got down to doing a bit of work reducing the obscene cost of governance, of which your salary is a part. Now that’s real reform – and part of Sli Nios Fearr policy – Google it and join in.

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  • Where will the cash come from? Greece and now Spain are likely to consume whatever is left in the EFSF/ESM kitty.

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  • Do people actually expect the minister to simply announce to the world that we (may) need a 2nd bailout? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind do that? The detrimental impact that would have. Ministers need to be out there talking up the economy, not down. If that’s “lying” as some call it, ill take it. People seem to have no idea the real and tangible value in “confidence”.Any firm confirmation would see an immediate contraction of the domestic economy. Why are so many people baying for a meltdown? What’s their motive?

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    • “If that’s lying, I’ll take it”?

      hmmm… sounds like what happened with Anglo!! “We’re fine”…and then they most definitely were NOT fine!!

      You say he’s stopping a meltdown/disaster by saying we won’t need another bailout?…and what happens when we actually DO??

      Were you never told when you were younger that if you’re lying, you’ll always be caught out? Saying we won’t need another bailout will catch up with Howlin and the rest in gov, when we actually DO need one!

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    • O’Reilly, what ever happened to ‘Paddy wants to know the truth’ ? Just more FFg/Labour spin and lies.

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    • oh I see Reilly,, its the confidence fairy game you want to play.

      that ship has sailed… long time a go,, and by the way whats wrong with saying “If we need a second bailout the govt have a plan,, come to think of it,, whats wrong with saying, by the way if the Euro falls apart, we the Irish govt have a plan to keep this country ticking over,, i just hope it doesn’t involve iodine tablets!!!

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    • yes, confidence in Ireland is important to foreign investors so why were we told if we vote no we won’t have access to funds for a second bailout constantly during the referendum? was this merely a scare tactic? shocking

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