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Some stabilisation in Dublin property market – reports

There are now 47,000 properties for sale in Ireland and the average asking price is €151,000, according to Daft.ie and €201,000, according to MyHome.ie.

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THE LATEST PROPERTY price report from Daft.ie has found a stabilisation in the Dublin market, a stark contrast to what is happening in other, more rural areas of the country.

MyHome.ie’s latest report agrees, noting the lowest annual rate of decline in Dublin in four years.

Daft.ie’s report suggests that although asking prices across Ireland were down nine per cent in the last quarter of 2012 when compared with the previous year, the corresponding figure in the capital was just two per cent.

In general, the rate of price falls in cities is less than elsewhere, with prices down about 10 per cent in Cork, Limerick and Galway. However, Waterford has seen a fall of 17 per cent. Outside the urban centres, prices in the final three months of 2012 were 13.3 per cent lower than in 2011.

The report authors said the figure for Dublin offers a “stark contrast” to this time last year when prices were falling at a rate of more than 20 per cent. Now, asking prices in south county Dublin have grown by 3.1 per cent, while city centre properties remain unchanged.

For the first time since the property crash, the fall from the peak is greater in Connacht/Ulster at 55.9 per cent than in Dublin, where it is 55.4 per cent.

“The contrast between urban and rural property markets has grown substantially over the last 12 months, led by a recovering Dublin market,” said Daft.ie economist Ronan Lyons.

“Ultimately, the difference between urban and rural areas is due to cities having no significant oversupply from the boom years and also enjoying better employment prospects. Nonetheless, the end of mortgage interest relief may have led to a rush of demand in 2012, so it remains to be seen whether the stabilisation seen in the second half of 2012 continues into the new year.”

Price stabilisation

The report looked at 4,500 Price Register transactions from the past 12 months, concluding that property prices may be stabilising.

“Prices registered were largely stable for the third quarter in a row, with the average transaction price in late 2012 €151,000,” it said. The comparable figure for the first quarter of the year was €154,000.

Figures for time-to-sell indicate that there has been some improvement in market conditions over the past 12 months, with four in 10 properties selling within four months. The total stock of properties sitting on the market nationwide is 47,000 – the lowest since November 2007.

MyHome.ie

Meanwhile, MyHome.ie’s report outlines an accelerated rate of decline in property prices in the last quarter of 2012. It said that the annual rate of decline increased to 14.8 per cent.

It also believes the average house price nationally is €201,000.

The report’s author Caroline Kelleher said, “While we saw relatively large house price declines in the first six months, this gave away to significant moderation in the rate of decline nationally in the latter half of the year and to price stabilisation in Dublin.”

Kelleher said the outlook remains uncertain with further volatility in prices likely in 2013. She agreed with Lyons that the abolition of mortgage interest relief could impact sales next year.

Angela Keegan, Managing Director at MyHome.ie, pointed out a number of trends that popped up in the report.

“Evidence of an increase in or stabilisation of prices for four-bed homes in some counties suggests that these are now the preferred house type of choice. In Dublin, the stock of available properties for sale continues to decline and is now at just over 4,000. In Q2 it was almost 6,000.

“The varying ‘sale agreed’ times show that a two tier market is emerging, with times equivalent to three months in Limerick, four months in Dublin and five-and-a-half months in Galway. However, the corresponding ‘sale agreed’ times elsewhere are 10-and-a-half months in Munster, nine months in Ulster and Connacht and seven months in Leinster (excluding Dublin).”

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Comments (58 Comments)

  • Why are we still obsessed with the property market as a “pillar” of our economy. We need to stop obsessing over it and move on. It, and the construction industry should never again become the centre of our economic activity. We are nation of 4m+ people, there’s only so many houses we can sell to each other.

    What we need to see is a stable and appropriately sizes construction industry and property market. We need also see a complete reform of the rental market (residential and commercial) so people can have long term security of tenure and there’s no need to get a “foot on the ladder”.

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    • Your points are valid, people still want to own rather then rent. Very hard to change that mind set.
      Renting is going up in south Dublin can’t see another 30% drop in prices there.
      Construction prices are high here but so is everything else. There is no effort to bring down the cost of living in Ireland.

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    • Well there’s the obvious historical reasons but ultimately it comes down to security of tenure. If you are in a rental there are numerous reasons why you don’t have that security under the current system. We need something similar to Germany.

      I do agree that it will be hard to change the ‘renting is dead money’ frame of mind. However, the current state of affairs would indicate that perhaps it’s not the case.

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    • People are “obsessed” because property prices are such an emphatic indicator of how hard the economy fell. One of a *number* of indicators, it’s true. People in negative equity might see some hope in those price rises – for some, it might help them edge closer to selling without carrying an enormous debt afterwards as they move to rented accommodation. For my part, I’m glad of any news that will help us to talk more positively about the economy and the country.

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  • How many times in the past 4 years or so have we heard the lines “House prices seem to be stabilising” “we’ve reached the bottom” etc. etc. these are the same experts who told us right up to 2007 / 2008 that there was no bubble and things will be fine as they are. They seem to be trying to justify their jobs and wages on a quarterly basis now with such reports.

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  • And this ‘report’ is from an estate agent? And we believe this why exactly?

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  • I find it laughable that we still pin our hopes on a recovery on the very fact that put is in the situation in the first place. This has to be an Irish thing!

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  • Eugene – Everyone believes in a business making a profit but €200000 for an average house is nuts when according to the CSI the average wage is €35000, this figure is also nuts as i know a lot of young people who are on less than this.

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    • Rob, you probably also know a few who are earning more than that too. That’s what “average” is, and it’s no doubt skewed by the grossly exorbitant salaries paid to those in the upper echelons of the banking sector.
      I agree though, that someone earning €35k would still struggle to buy a house at €210,000 (Dublin average). House prices have further to fall. The fundamentals are not sound.

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    • Even if house prices fell to somewhere vaguely of what their worth……..the banks still aren’t lending! So it’s all baloney, kite flying, number shifting uselessness. Only people who are buying are the Russians, snapping estates up from allsops.

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    • Rob, that is the problem. Wages are not high enough to borrow the level required so maybe going forward a higher deposit is required to service the debt. Still can’t see how you expect sustainable business in building sector when selling below cost. Caught between a rock and a hard place. If incomes could increase with reversal of uscvetc a happy medium ground may be met.

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  • Nothing like a trusted source of information like two companies who after ‘seasonally adjusting’ the figures find that the results suit their vested interest.

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  • Prices will have to fall further you would imagine but who is going to buy the house. The young have either emigrated or are on the dole. They will not be in secure jobs in Ireland in the next 5 years. A public servant would often be considered a safe bet for a house. Yet nurses and teachers etc are starting on salaries between 22 000 and 30 000. 4 times that salary is 120 000 max. That is all young people will be able to afford.

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  • Expect a drop as people are now under no pressure to avail of the interest relief and the hesitation due to tax on homes introduced. Agree that house prices still need to drop a further 20-30%. While this may be below cost – The build cost needs to decrease as a result

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  • John – No offence but thats your problem with negative equity.

    You should expect a 1% drop in prices every month over the next 18 months. Don’t mind what the estate agent is saying.

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  • *Face Palm*

    Has everyone forgotten that interest relief for first time buyers expired at the end of 2012? Any apparent gains in the market in 2012 were artificial.

    Now we’re back to where we were in 2007 listening to commentators who have a vested interest in property and more importantly, a vested interest in putting a positive media spin on property.

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  • Eugene – Great idea on using property to fuel the economy. Its bound to work.

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    • Don’t take what I am saying out of context. We never want too see a mess we got into again but we do need to create some sort of construction sector in the economy. It’s like any business if their is no profit no one will get.into the industry. Do want to never create jobs in construction again?

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    • I’m sorry Eugene.
      But from 1st hand experience, (and a fully qualified background in construction) a lot of construction workers were very greedy and overpaid during the boom and still are.
      Especially taking into account the inferior quality of their “work”, (in some cases bordering on criminal).

      A close friend of mine built a basic but character-full 4 bedroom detached for €50,000 during the “boom” years.
      In rural Ireland.
      And his only personal labour input, was the interior 2nd fixing.

      I’m afraid as far as I am concerned,
      paying sloppy extortionate cowboys for extortionate sloppy work is not a rational excuse for an increase in property values or an increase in property prices for that matter.
      (and most certainly not a rational excuse for an increase in innocent people’s mortgage balances for that matter)

      A large quantity of the rubbish thrown up during the boom should be declared derelict.

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    • Interior CARPENTRY 2nd fixing.

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    • @G.Y.M. Yes some were greedy and did bad work but not all. Everyone can look to their own sector of business and they know their are cowboys in all walks of life but if you factor in €X per square foot for the build depending on where you live in the country then you will see that some are below cost selling and unlike your friend most people don’t have the time or experience to build a property themselves so rely on people to do work for them.

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    • That’s very reassuring Eugene.

      Now tell these people/victims exactly which part of the home (that they paid a falsely inflated price for) has been built/designed/installed by these cowboys?
      The Roof?
      The Insulation?
      The Foundation?
      The Gas System?
      The Radon Barrier?
      The Electrics?
      The Sewerage?
      Etc
      Etc
      Etc

      What has gone on in house building in this country has been nothing short of criminal.
      And everyone but the victims have been compensated.
      The well being of these victims should be a PRIORITY!

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    • G.Y.M. believe it or not all houses built in the boom are not falling apart. I know its hard for you to believe. The apartment I bought is fine and yes I paid too much for it in hindsight. You are looking to the past on the issue where I am looking at having sustainable jobs from an industry we need. If peoples properties are not up to standard yes they should be compensated by homebond, architects insurance or if necessary the courts. You seem to think ALL construction workers from bricklayers, electricians, plumbers, carpenters are criminal when its not the case. As I said previously always an element of bad in every industry.

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    • Eugene I totally agree with you that not everyone involved in the house building industry is producing sub standard shoddy work.(but there were a lot)
      However (as someone who is fully qualified and has 25 years experience in the industry) I am pointing out the obvious fact that,
      how can the layman/laywoman tell if there is a major (and possibly life threatening) issue with the construction of their home?
      And I repeat Which parts of peoples homes were built by cowboys the vital parts or the non vital parts??

      You say that your apartment is “fine”
      The people in Priory Hall and Gleann Riada thought that there homes were “fine” Eugene and so did the “expert” officials who signed off on them.

      If the construction sector indeed needs work.
      Should the construction sector not be forced to bring its past sub standard work up to a decent standard before embarking on any further (possibly life threatening, shoddy) projects??

      You say, people should get Homebond compensation? ask the Priory Hall/ Gleann Riada residents about Homebond compensation?

      There are thousands of families with huge mortgages forced to live in deathtraps throughout this country,
      because they know that if they complain,
      government officials will declare the development unfit for habitation,
      they will be made homeless,
      they wont be able to sell or rent out their deathtrap home,
      and yet their corrupt bank (supported by our “government and fully funded with taxpayer bailouts) will still harass them to keep paying a mortgage on this derelict dump.

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    • You have answered my point. Professional people signed off on properties so they are responsible full stop. The person who bought the house trusted and paid for this service and if the professional involved did not show a duty of care they.should pay. Homebond is just an option as part of recourse if needed. Personally I always taught it was a scam. Priory Hall is a disgrace and it needs to ne addressed fast for the people. If substandard material was used containing pyrite etc the quarry is responsible. If you do know of substandard properties I suggest you report them as if their was a fire lives could be saved.

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  • €201,000 is still over 5 times the average salary. Still over priced, said it before that these prices need to fall another 20-30% at least.

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    • But a lot of property are being sold below the cost of construction so prices need to go up in order to help the economy. You cannot create jobs when selling at a loss.

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    • I suspect that the slight increase in house prices in Dublin may have been related to the fact that the date expired to obtain significant mortgage interest relief on Dec. 31st. It will be interesting to see what the situation will be for Jan. and also how the property tax will impact same.

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    • I thoroughly agree. State interference in the property market got us into this dire situation in the first place. Tax reliefs, tax-offsetting, NAMA, etc., have helped inflate the market to unsustainable levels.
      Allow for repossession of defaulting but-to-let properties to the banks, allow for renegotiation of mortgage repayments for primary homes if needs be, but anyone who bought in the boom based on overly-inflated projected incomes, rent-a-room scheme income, etc., must be prepared to downgrade their property and live within their means.
      If we all just lived within our means there wouldn’t be any problem.

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    • I’m sorry Brian but as far as the well paid government and bank “experts” we have all been living well within our mean throughout the boom years.
      As a consequence of these “expert” criminal’s actions/inactions.
      Many unfortunate people, have unnecessarily died.
      Hundreds of thousands have been forced to emigrate.
      Millions of lives have been destroyed.
      Generations have been sentenced to debt slavery.
      ant the entire country has been bust.

      These “experts” and their bedfellows should be jailed for a very long time and their victims should be compensated.

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    • Sorry Typos
      I’m sorry Brian but as far as the well paid government and bank “experts” were concerned, we have all been living well within our mean throughout the boom years.

      and the entire country has been bust.

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    • I’m not saying that Joe Public had no responsibility in this historical travesty.

      However Brian the deck was rigged.
      Iceland have proven this, and they have identified the real culprits.
      Whilst Ireland continue to reward the real culprits.

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    • Spot on Rob Zombie.

      To put this article in layman’s terms.

      The value of over Five hundred thousand properties in Ireland are falling to their true value (a value based on real fundamentals).
      They are falling from a false, “Celtic Tiger” value that was manufactured by criminals and conmen who worked for our banks and our government.

      The fall to reach the this true value (a value based on real fundamentals) , maybe faster on some months and slower on other months.
      But one thing is for sure is, that we have not yet reached this true value (a value based on real fundamentals) and we still have a long way to go yet.

      I would be very cautious of this spin and hype.

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    • Most of these innocent people, just wanted a basic comfortable home in their own country,
      and a basic mortgage product to purchase it with.

      What they got instead was a Tomb of Torture.

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    • Let us never forget that our banks and their bedfellows broke this country.

      I kinda find it hard to trust them after that “little stunt”

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    • Kind of ruined by “Gathering your money”‘s rant – can’t you make your points more succinctly? I agree with Rob Zombie. Still above UK house prices here. As for construction costs – the construction industry’s wages were fixed well above the national average with stupid allowances like “country money”. Bringing that into line and stabilising the industry should do something to make houses more affordable – along with (of course) allowing land prices to drop to more normal levels.

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    • Well someone needs to rant about this corrupt/criminal activity Leigh.

      No harm in a good passionate rant now and again, mate.

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  • The interest relief and also the 100% mortgage is a thing of the past. So at current prices you need a minimum €20,000 deposit. Who on earth would risk putting 20 grand on something thats loosing value daily.

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  • Properties still too expensive. Construction sector in for example Germany is not collapsed like Irish and yet their house and apartment prices are lower than here. And we talk only price, never mind quality. In Ireland tiled bathroom walls are still considered luxury from what I can see are they real and I don’t know who gives them those A heating grades where I haven’t seen here one new properly isolated apartment. Or maybe they haven’t seen and think this rubbish is really A or B grade?

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    • Well said fizi.

      Well built, 2 bedroom apartments are being sold in decent areas in Spain for €25,000-€30,000.
      And there you get good roads and infrastructure.
      cheap cost of living
      sunshine
      international airports nearby.

      And just to note that these are in mature, finished developments.

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    • @ FW. I live in Germany. Property has increased over 50% in main cities in less than 8 years. It is now unaffordable for almost everyone not interested in the investment purchase. They are also headed for a bust in 5 years I suspect.

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  • If anyone has a modern 3 bed townhouse for sale in Rathfarnham (within 1k of the village) for ?180k please email me at dreams@gmail.com

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  • John – rent is only going up because people are not buying. Its a landlords wetdream at the moment.

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  • Here is the real prices. http://Www.propertypriceregister.ie. daft and myhome averages should not be used it makes no sense. Only actuall selling prices should be used. Why is reporters still printing reports from daft etc. you should now better really. Any economy is based on actuall buying and selling prices. Not asking prices. We must be special arent we. :-).

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  • HERE WE GO AGAIN ,THERE TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER OUR EYE,S HOUSE PRICE,S ANT GOING UP
    SO DONT BE FOOLED BY THE CRAP THERE TRYING TO PUT OUT, YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK THE PEOPLE THAT STILL CANT PAY FOR THE HOUSE,S THAT THEY LIVE IN NOW ,ALSO BANKS WOUNT GIVE YOU A LONE TO BUY A HOUSE PLUS KONW ONE WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE THAT,S GOING TO DROP BY HALF THE PRICE
    SO HOUSE PRICE,S GOING UP MY ARSE.

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  • People arnt going to drop the value of their house by 20% to 30% just so people can buy it. I’m already at a loss of about 180k euro what makes you think i’d make it cheaper??? So if the house prices do drop well people won’t sell unless its a 2nd home, investment, home of a deceased relative…..so what use is it ……None.

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