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Shell to Sea claims ‘devastating mismanagement’ of oil and gas resources

The group has released a report saying exploration companies believe oil and gas within Irish waters is worth €1.6 trillion.

Shell to Sea activists clash with Gardai after they blocked the path of Shell machinery in Co Mayo in July. The group says Ireland's oil and gas reserves are worth €1.6 trillion.
Shell to Sea activists clash with Gardai after they blocked the path of Shell machinery in Co Mayo in July. The group says Ireland's oil and gas reserves are worth €1.6 trillion.
Image: Niall Carson/PA Wire

THE SHELL TO SEA group has released a report in which it claims that exploration companies believe the oil and gas reserves off Irish waters are worth over €1.6 trillion.

The group says its “groundbreaking” Liquid Assets report – which can be downloaded from its website – is the first time that the explorers’ own valuations of the sites they are licensed to explore have been collated – resulting in a figure which it says exposes the government’s failure to manage the nation’s natural resources.

“By trawling through figures published by oil exploration companies, researchers compiled companies’ estimates for a total of 69 different discoveries, ‘prospects’ and other areas licensed for oil and gas exploration,” the group said.

“The combined total of those company estimates is 20,964 million barrels of oil equivalent (of oil or gas), worth €1,600 billion at today’s prices.”

Socialist MEP Paul Murphy, who launched the report, said the general public was “increasingly aware that Ireland’s ‘take’ from its oil and gas is far lower than in other countries”.

“The Government and oil industry have defended this by insisting that ‘attractive’ terms will lead to investment, jobs and our own supply of oil,” he said – an image that was somewhat undermined by the report’s showing that extraction of Irish resources may not benefit Ireland at all in terms of employment or supply.

“The Government and oil industry defend Ireland’s giveaway licensing terms by claiming that Ireland is an ‘unproven territory’, where exploration is minimal,” added Dublin Shell to Sea spokesman Criostóir MacCuirc.

“This painstaking new research tells a different story.”

Current Irish law levies a tax of 25 per cent on profits made from the sale of Irish resources, but allows exploration costs to be written off against this – meaning the true extent of a possible Irish tax take remains unknown.

An image from the Shell to Sea report mapping the various oil and gas reserves identified off Irish waters. Source: Shell to Sea.

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  • Xadovan 10/09/12 #

    If there is all this oil and if we are basically giving it away, why is there not more interest?

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  • Look at how Norway managed their oil, one of the
    Highest standard of living in the world ,
    Were there any little brown envelopes involved in our politicians giving away our natural resources to the multi national oil industry?

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    • ‘Were there any little brown envelopes..??’Were there $%££%$$.

      Get a copy of Elaine A. Byrne’s ‘Political Corruption in Ireland, 1922-2010, a crooked harp’, (Manchester University Press, 2012).

      Its not a fresh pattern. Many a Goodman in there stroking. Mind you she hasn’t even got Shell in the index, so although I’m only halfway through, it looks like no mention. ‘Once Upon a Time in the West’ by Lorna Siggins covers the story.

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    • Or try a copy of “the best democracy money can buy”.
      Asset stripping is done in plain sight and quite legally.
      We need to hand power to some hard cases for a while, it’s a dog eat dog world and no-one is going to hand us anything.

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  • Oil exploration is a very expensive business. A stand-by vessel, the ones you see floating around near rigs, can cost 50 – 100 grand a day. Logistically, it’s very complex so it can be years between speculating and actually getting the first drips of black gold out of the ground. But if there is profit to be made by drilling off the Irish coast, you can bet your ass they’ll be lining up to do it. So why shouldnt we be first in line. Its ours! Let someone else do the hard graft and then take a nice fat cut. Our government is well used to doing that to you and me!
    I think I’m right in saying Norway have a 75% tax on oil and gas found in their waters. They are extremely well off directly because of the oil and gas industry. We could be too.
    But I fear, our short sightedness will again be our downfall and an amazing opportunity to make this country extremely wealthy, will slip through our governments fat little fingers.
    Also I paid €986 for 1000ltrs of home heating oil 2 weeks ago. I’d like to know how much of that goes to the state?

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  • €1.6 trillion would really help the country right now. But how much of that money would the state really get? Not a lot from what I’ve read. Government screwed it up again. Feels like daylight robbery.

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  • Anyone who knows the first thing about Shell’s history across the globe, and big oil in general, will consider this report a valuable advance. Wikileaks revelations regarding Shell’s corporate capture of the Nigerian government are just the tip of a filthy iceberg.

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  • More gross mismanagement from our policy makers. Simply not good enough

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  • Declan 10/09/12 #

    Some things never change. Take a look at South Africa & how that beautiful country was raped of it’s natural resources such as diamonds from its Kimberly mines and how the greedy companies just up and left leaving an environmental mess when there was nothing left to take. Will someone please wake up our dozy government?

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  • People would you not agree,that as a nation
    We, and our politicians are very poor negotiators when involved in deals of this scale,vested interest…..parish pump mentality..D 4 versus the rest..!etc.Lack of a national vision..
    just look. at our fisheries, the sugar saga,
    The bank garauntee. .All total cock -ups
    We need negotiators not Spin doctors and advisers. ..and pay them sack the rest…

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  • sid 10/09/12 #

    Sounds like it ll make a cracking tribunal

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  • Hi Pierce, How are they crackpots Sure if we didnt give away all the rights to the oil,We would be the richest country in Europe. All the customers agree with me.

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  • Anyone else recall Pat Rabbitte dismissing the claims of the group previously a few months aboutabout their being a vast field out there, even though the figures had come from government published material.

    A few months on and the discoveries are proving them right. Providence will do well.

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  • You can estimate all you want but someone still needs to explore, drill, extract and mine it. If Irelands giving such a great deal where are all the oil companies and oil rigs? There are none because the prospect of finding oil is low. If someone strikes oil then they might start the ball rolling and Ireland can up their prices to match demand.

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  • simple idea David let shell build it- then nationalize it

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  • Simple as this lads and gals and without having the facts and figures at hand.

    If major gas and oil companies come here, spend time surveying, drilling, bringing in heavy machinery, investing in amajor gas pipeline, investing in a processing plant and security, THEN YES, OF COURSE IT IS WORTH ALL THAT AND MORE!!!.

    Even at a worst case senario of a few hundred billion in euros. That alone is our Rothschild debt paid off in full.

    We all know we are being lied to. All of us know this. So if you have millionaire selfserving politicians siding with these companies…. Tell me, who are you going to believe???????

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    • Just to add to this.

      These ‘crusties’ are litterally the only people (regardless of their background) who are standing up to this corrupt system.

      The rest of us foolish people are thinking that another election will rid us of this cancerous regime. Oh we have such short memories.

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    • May be ….just maybe…FG will get wish fulfillment for Christmas some year…and Ireland will produce another Big Fellah to come down their chimneys like it was Halloween….there’ll be wet gussets that morning.

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  • The usual inadequacy of the Irish govt yet again failing the people time and time again unbearable to read

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  • exactly and look what he does with the profits… builds houses for Venezuelas poor and homeless.
    but in the media is portrayed as a evil dictator. why? because he didn’t let them keep taking the oil for free.

    a democratically elected president with the election results better documented than our own.

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  • The whole country should be in mayo protesting

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  • Funny that the caption claims that protesters were ‘clashing’ with police. The protester looks to be practicing non-violent direct action. Suggestions should be substantiated.

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  • Would anyone trust this spineless government with €1.6 trillion of our money?….assuming this report is true of course

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  • “Shell to Sea”, are they still on the go. Crusty crackpots the lot of them.

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  • but the gardai aren’t complaining with all the nice over time there getting from having to stop these lot getting near shell, while the rest of the country suffers huge crime rates!

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    • Tom
      It’s your belief that we have a high crime rate and this is due to the high overtime being earned by Gardai maintaining law and order in County Mayo where unelected thugs are preventing people going about their lawful work?

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    • Lawful work..Micko..like sinking Pat O’D's boat?

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    • Tom I think you’ll find the Gardai are suck of it. They are away from their family’s and getting paid SFA for their trouble.

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    • Of course Gardai are complaining. Who wants to be dragged away from their homes/families and stay down in Mayo? (no offence to Mayo) and I’m pretty sure an unprecedented amount of money has been paid in overtime but handed right back in taxes and levies. Do the protesters feel responsible in anyway for the added financial pressure they have put on the state or do they still seen themselves as the guys fighting the good fight, preventing joe public from doing an honest days work and trying to bring money into the local economy and taxes to the state but of course they don’t see that because they’re sticking it to the man. I really think they’ve pushed the boat out too far and have kind of fallen off point much like what happened to ‘Occupy Dame Street’ they’re protesting for the sake of it, and gotten to the point where they can’t back down.

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    • what about the elected thugs preventing people going about their business .

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    • You say elected? Last time i checked we live in a democracy do right off the bat your statement serves no purpose because if they are elected the majority rules and therefore the consensus is that they are wanted and to be fair i wouldn’t go so far as to say they’re thugs and furthermore how are they preventing people going about their business??

      If the ‘Shell to Sea’ contingent pulled out tomorrow how many jobs would be created and sustained in the local economy? How many people would be off the the dole? As much as it has been a terrible bit of business done by the government the money is better in the state coffers as opposed to dealing with some person in a ditch stopping a truck going down the road? Would you not agree or does that make too much sense around here for some people to comprehend?

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  • Denis 10/09/12 #

    Great the NIMBYs in Rossport pulling more figures out of their arse.
    I’ve got 3 Trillion of oil down the back of my couch if anyone wants to invest.

    Shouldn’t they change their name anyway, shell to sea was when they were using safety as an excuse for NIMBYing and wanted the processing plant off shore.
    When that got addressed they suddenly became patriots outraged at the sale of the resources instead.
    I wonder what excuse they’d come up with if the deal got renegotiated.

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  • It’s great to talk about €1.6 trillion and I’m sure this figure will feature on all of S2S posters in the future but answer me this?

    1. How much of that €1.6 trillion is actually drillable with today’s technology?

    2. Out of what is drillable, how much of that is actually profitable?

    3. Out of what’s drillable and profitable, how much money does the taxpayer have to invest so we can get out there and extract it?

    4. How many years until the first streams of oil come on shore?

    5. How many years until the taxpayer gets investment back and starts to see a profit?

    6. Do you actually trust any Irish government to oversee this successfully as opposed to letting experienced companies like Shell come in and do what they do best?

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    • I suppose David that people are concerned about the Irish nation getting a poor deal in the profits made from our national and natural resources. There is not much faith that the best interests of the Irish people is the primary concern of the Irish political classes. This belief may be wrong but it is not unfounded.

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    • You’re part of FG right? Says it all really…

      1: The resources belong to Ireland.

      2: They are going nowhere if we dont want them to.

      3: We could invest internally by creating college degrees in resource exploration and extraction.

      4: In the meantime we could tap into the 1000’s of irish emigrants currently working in the industry and offer them jobs back home to boost training and the setup of a national oil and has company.

      5: The price of oil and gas is only going to go up.

      6: Time is therefore on our side.

      But no morons like your party can’t see past their own noses and finally do their jobs ensuring the sustainability of our economy and offer a better future for our children. Morons in your parties youth spout bollox and rhetoric like there’s no tomorrow while the government of today sells off a fortune for some magic beans. Thus ensuring the Irish are forever perceived as stupid inbred muppets.

      Only in Ireland would we freely give away trillions of euro’s worth of oil and gas during a time of unprecedented financial hardship.

      Yup we keep voting in the muppets who love to point the finger and blame the other guy while at the same time our futures are sold to the lowest bidder.

      Yup Higgins on a daily basis you never change just like your party won’t.

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    • 1. billions otherwise shell wouldn’t be here.

      2. billions otherwise shell wouldn’t be here.

      3. how much to invest? maybe don’t pay 5 or 6 bonds and that is value for your investment.

      4. 2 years.

      5. maybe 4 years.

      6. no not really, and let shell do what they do best- rip stupid incompetent politicians off.

      there is a awful lot of money involved in this so anyone who thinks shell and some sections of the Irish media are our friends are very naive.

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    • A state run oil rig built and supplying in just TWO years?

      Now that is a pipe dream :)

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    • Especially with FG in power. It’s taken them 2 years just to get out of silly season!

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    • Denis 10/09/12 #

      2 Years until the first stream of oil would come on shore!
      He’ll be here all week folks, you don’t get this sort of comedy everywhere.

      Leaving aside the fact almost all of this supposed wealth has yet to be actually discovered, it’s worth pointing out that the corrib gas field was discovered in 1996.
      16 years and many billions of development later and not a wiff of gas has flowed onshore yet.

      Some of the shell to sea crowd seem to think you just need a long hose pipe and job done.

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    • Brown envelope on the way for you david !

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  • Bottom line is it has nothing to do with not wanting to risk taxpayers money of oil and gas exploration and drilling – the government are taking (like bertie and burke) big brown envelopes to keep the terms the same.

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  • Im not saying we should just bulldoze all the shell 2 sea protestors into a mass grave so nobody ever has to listen to their ignorant tripe ever again , but ….. no wait thats actually a brilliant idea.

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  • I don’t care whether you agree with Shell to Sea or not. We are all getting screwed by this while petrol and heat go up, up, up. Protest now! Protest often!. Get these crooks out of office, and they can take those strong-arm goons in the west with them.

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  • they are muppets, they are crusty new age travelers thats all. Same as what was in glen of the downs and on n4 at tara. Shell to sea as the name suggests was to get shell to go offshore and not run a pipe onland. no talk at time of resources deal, but sure they will always have something to complain about. they are linked to Eirigi and SF so its obvious they are muppets. Id say the guards there are just sick of it at this stage. Hurry up get the gas pumping so we can forget about this crap

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  • Hi back up a minute would ye and take a look at the report, http://www.shelltosea.com/sites/default/files/images/LiquidAssets.pdf, nobody is saying there is 20 billion barrels of oil equiv out there or recoverable. These are industry figures, the researchers just assembled them in one places and put em on a map, complete with health warnings about the dubious figures the companies throw about to lure in unwary investors. For doing that they are being labelled as ‘NIMBYs in Rossport pulling more figures out of their arse’ , crusty crackpots and nutters! FOr a post Catholic country some things haven’t changed – the biggest sin is still to tell the truth.

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  • @ David Higgins……..No doubt you’d be screaming your neck off if Tesco or Lidl decided to buy out Superquinn.
    But Shell are just robbing us in broad daylight and you couldn’t give a rats ar$e,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remind me when you are on the check out a Lidl why I din’t vote for you!!

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  • here is a wee article might put our friendly extractors in context

    http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/21420-nato-expansion.html

    just so you were told..you’re still allowed keep your head comfortably sub-sand..it is after a fre country..if you have the wherewithal to oil the wheels

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