Yes new to it

Maybe you were nor aware of it but Ryanair don’t do transatlantic. But if they did…… Aer Lingus would probably be cheaper again

Smiley . how much does Ryanair spend on litigation. seeing as though you know ,perhapsyou might share this valuable piece if info. Really want to know.

Fair comment. No idea. However, it seems to me that every time the CEO hits the headlines he’s whingeing about something being unfair. There have been several examples of his going to court to avoid paying out for something the company’s required to, eg meals on delayed flights, accommodation when flights are cancelled for no apparent reason…

Oh you mean like complaining how the airlines had to pick up the tab for disruptions caused by natural phenomonon such as the Icelandic Volcano. Do you think it was fair that the airlines were left out of pocket over this? Do you think Irish Rail would pay your hotel bill if you were stuck overnight in cork due to flooding on railways?? Dont think so!

@JohnF. Maybe my memory is longer than yours. Many is the incidence of Ryanair complaining of unfairness when regulations are enforced. Don’t hear other airlines making complaints about same regs.

Ok… Maybe a quick reality check as to why almost 80million people fly Ryanair every year. Quck comparison for return fares on destinations both Aer Lingus and Ryanair fly to from Dublin over St Patricks weekend (15th – 18th March)

Dublin – Malaga
Aer Lingus 363
Ryanair 226

Dublin – Manchester
Aer Lingus 108
Ryanair 76

Dublin – Barcelona El Prat
Aer Lingus 440
Ryanair 172

Dublin – London Gatwick
Aer Lingus 109
Ryanair 89

Dublin – Madrid
Aer Lingus 239
Ryanair 193

All flights are direct, prices as of today 15:50 – skyscanner.ie

Both Airlines now offer an almost indistinguishable ‘no frills’ service on domestic European routes. Both charged for checked baggage and priority seats, neither offer free in-flight refreshments, both have a strict one bag per person carry on of 10kg max. Aer Lingus operate Airbus A320s on majority of their routes with 18″ Seat Width and 30″ Pitch and have an average fleet age of 7.4 Years.
Ryanair operate a fleet of Boeing 737-800s standardized with 17″ Seat Width and 30″ Pitch and an average fleet age of 4.5 years.

Fair play John, wait for the red thumbs though, people can be such hypocrites. They curse Michael o Leary but still fly Ryanair because of the low fares, makes me sick

I think we can agree to differ. I am not prepared to be gouged for extras only to be treated like muck as on Ryanair. I travel roughly 20,000 km a year. Tried Ryanair twice and they were rubbish. Delayed flights, scrum for boarding, airports way out of town. Not for me thanks. I like to choose my seat, I like to be treated well by staff, I like to have reasonable luggage allowances. I don’t mind paying an extra €20 for the privilege.

@John F

Ryanair
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Customer service pre/during boarding
General “Feel” onboard the plane (“TATAAAAAAAAGHHHHH Buy our crappy scratch cards to win”. “TATAAAAAAAAGHHHHH We are the best at timekeeping”)
Tired and angry looking cabin crew
15kgs checked in bags

Aer Lingus
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Not as great as it used to be, but still okay.. + 20kgs bags..

I know who I fly with when I have the choice..

Great response John f, the wan€ers with red thumbs don’t have a clue. Probably vote FF as well.

@John F. Your price comparison exercise is exactly what I would do if I were heading away for St Patricks weekend.

And you know what? I’d still fly Aer Lingus.

Because AL still respect their passengers. Passengers who appreciate service keep them in business. AL know that. AL listen to the customer. Ryanair do not. AL have cornered that section of the market where quality, not stress, is required. AL are not anonymous or oblivious to their customers. Ryanair are. In fact, for Ryanair, the passenger is a revenue generating ‘item’, devoid of emotion or feeling. Some people don’t have an issue with that, presume you’re one, but I definitely do.

Plus, I have kids. Why would I put them or myself through the torment.

I have flown both carriers, and this is my informed decision. Cost is a factor, yes. But so is stress.

I am a customer. I WANT THAT CHOICE!!! Dont need comparisons, can do that myself thanks.

So for me, well done Europe!

Wake up the Irish market matters little 2 Ryanair they want a way into America

Nellie, the Irish market is extremely important to Ryanair. After Stansted, Dublin is by far its’ busiest base with Dublin-London the busiest route in the Ryanair network by far.

Why do you feel they need Aer Lingus ( and the Irish market you say that matters little to them ) to start flights to the US?

I think you’ll find Joe that Charleroi is Ryanair’s busiest hub

Not sure where you’re getting your info from Ciara, but Stansted is by far their busiest.
Quick google search:
http://www.anna.aero/2012/07/18/london-stansted-now-serving-over-150-destinations-as-ryanair-continues-to-grow-network/

The Irish market counts for 6 % and decreasing amount of Ryanair business the market has decided that are national carrier has little future as is. Look at its share price stagnant .
Is o Leary the nicest man on the planet he goes out of his way to annoy people. But he not the devil and pays more tax in thus country than he needs to he Chan air travel for ever. Selling airlinglus to him will make airlinglus a bigger and better airline

I am not prepared to be gouged for extras – is that “extras” like food? Choosing the biggest seat etc ?

only to be treated like muck as on Ryanair.- I’ve never been treated like muck. I’ve flown at least 200 times with Ryanair

Delayed flights – Nonsense, they have the best on time record of any airline in Europe. As often as not they are EARLY.

scrum for boarding – no scrum ever. If you don’t want to q, then sit down until the q is gone.

airports way out of town. – can be an advantage. In Beauvis you get out in minutes. Stansted is as far from London as Gatwick.

I like to choose my seat – available on Ryanair or simply pay a miserable €5 to get on first.

I like to be treated well by staff – Ryanair staff are as good as Aer Lingus staff

I like to have reasonable luggage allowances – they are both the same, Ryanair are more strict. But they have told you that.

I don’t mind paying an extra €20 for the privilege – from the list above it’s far more than that. I fly both, depends on various factors.

Nellie I’m not sure you know what you’re saying there? Ryanair and Aer Lingus have over 80% of the market share from Ireland between them, Aer Lingus is very profitable and giving Ryanair a run for their money, Aer Lingus is gaining market share from Ryanair and that’s why ultimately Ryanair want to own Aer Lingus. I don’t call scrapping half of the Aer Lingus routes “building one huge Irish airline”. Ryanair wants rid of their viable competitor, simple as that.

Couldn’t agree more, I fly to the UK every week with Ryanair and in the last year I have only been delayed twice and and never more than an hour. I am effectively able to commute to the UK for c. €50 per week – try doing that with Aerlingus!!!! I really don’t understand why people bitch and moan about Ryanair, they are seriously cheap and virtually always on time!

Ryanair don’t have the planes us slots it’s a way in to the us

Great point.

So what exactly do you mean by a front company? Do you actually mean that Ryanair put forward a deal that was accepted by 64% of Flybe’s shareholders? As for Flybe being in serious financial debt, £50m on a turnover of £340m is not out of kilter with the sector. This Commission decision is wholly political and Ryanair have a right to be aggrieved. If a major carrier like British Airways can’t go it alone in this climate, it’s fair to say Aer Lingus’ days are numbered and all this obfuscation is just dog-in-the-manger carry-on. The fact is Ryanair are being penalised precisely because they are competitive. Some people clearly have a soggy sentimental attachment to overpriced shamrock decals because I’ve seen no evidence – in a quarter century of flying – that the National carrier is worth saving.

“if a major carrier like BA can’t go it alone”???

I’m not sure what you mean by this, BA bought out the basket case that was Bmi to get their route network and LHR slots. They then joined with Iberia as IAG, BA however are very definitely in the driving seat. its a takeover by another name. But at least BA aren’t going to try to kill off Iberia, unlike the FR plans for EI.

Just to clarify…..FlyBe Ireland was the front company. Ryanair were guaranteeing in them E20M profits each year for 3 years…..on top of the E100M startup cash. Thats’ a funny way to deal with a ‘competitor’!!

Sorry Sean, your views are somewhat skewed and difficult by any standard to equate with consumer welfare. Ryanair, Flybe and British Airways were all in on the carve up – they actually boasted about it in the run up to today. The forthcoming Commission Decision represents a significant milestone for consumers. The UK Competition Commission are also opposing the purchase of an almost 30% stake that Ryanair now holds in Aer Lingus. Where has Ireland’s Competition Authority been? We might draw your attention to the Irish Competition Authority’s Mission Statement:- “to ensure that competition works well for consumers and the Irish Economy”. Odd that our own regulator has had little or nothing to say on a competition issue with huge reverberations for Irish business and final consumers alike. Follow our views on Twitter.

Your probably right gerry

I’m not one bit worried about our ‘national’ airline.
Just need decent competition.

If Aer Lingus were gone, Ryanair would smash any new entrants to the Irish market.

What’s a “National Airline”? Are you a Commie?

You must waste a lot of money. Nice to have it.

Not in the running -yet. But you can get 40/1 on Ray Burke.

Yeah yi big eejit.

Is that a question or a statement? You seem sure I fly Ryanair and you don’t even know me. Explain.

I’d hate to be living here where the only option to get off rain sodden island is Ryanair

Ryanair didn’t bring about low fares. Deregulation did. If we didn’t have Ryanair in Ireland we would have Easy Jet and others. They all embraced the low fares model at the same time.
Anybody who seriously thinks if it wasn’t for Ryanair we would be paying €300 to fly to London has been intellectually short changed.

Ryanair have charged me 300 euro one way to get to Stansted in the past.

As long as you don’t mind being treated abysmally. When you compare prices, after Ryanair have charged all their extras, the difference is so slight as to be worth travelling on Aer Lingus for its service alone.

Dave, as of 16:45, it’s €200 to fly Cork-LHR today. All airlines charge heavily for last minute flights. However I’ve flown with Ryanair to STN for as little as €60 booking the previous day.

Red thumbs?
Am I wrong?

Yes you are correct! The only official word is that Ryanair have said they have been notified that the EU are preparing to block the takeover.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-12/eu-preparing-to-block-ryanair-s-bid-for-aer-lingus-again.html

Wrong. We have lower fares because of deregulation. Do you really think if Ryanair didn’t come along we would still be paying huge fares to Europe?
Do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that if Ryanair had a monopoly they wouldn’t abuse it?
Tell that the Munster fans who bought cheap flights to the Heineken Cup final a few years ago in anticipation of making the final. When they did and Ryanair realises they lost out in a killing they cancelled the flight and gave refunds only to put the flight back on at much higher prices. I sometimes despair at how naive the public are.
Perhaps that explains why Fianna Fáil are the most popular party in the country again. Heaven save us. Some people shouldn’t have a vote.

Sean, it was only an opinion. But Jesus relax yourself. pull back the curtains open the windows let some air in, there’s life outside no need to be so bitter all the time, post something positive will do you good

I’m positive but also realistic.
If this country had a bit more reality we would have realised property prices wouldn’t go up for ever. Ok, this us just a discussion forum and we all have our opinions. There is something seriously worrying when Fianna Fáil are the most popular party in the country a few years after bankrupting the place.
Getting back to Ryanair. How about the case of the Munster fans? Is this what we want? You buy a ticket to travel and when they realise they can sell it for more they throw the money back at you and sell it for more.
I wouldn’t let O’Leary run anything.
He is capable but I wouldn’t trust him for 1 minute.
You applaud him if you wish.
I don’t.

Have to agree there Sean..

Tried something somewhat similar myself.
Had a flight booked for 6 months going on holidays. Taken the days off and booked hotel etc etc.
6 days before the flight got an email telling me that the route had been cancelled and here is my refund.
Made a promise that day to never fly Ryanair again.

Johnny Reynolds, get your facts straight. before posting on here! Aer Lingus do fly to Tenerife for the whole year out of Dublin!

Sorry A mcT, didn’t realise there’s only one airport in Ireland. My bad…

@ Johnny Reynolds: Aer Lingus fly to Tenerife every Tuesday and Saturday during the summer months.

Try booking a flight with Ryanair to London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schipol or Paris Charles de Gaulle, so you can make a connecting flight…Swings and roundabouts really. Best to have both airlines meeting different needs I reckon.

Don’t worry about it Johnny…just to clarify, what you actually said was:

“Try and book a flight to Tenerife over the summer with the almighty aer lingus and see what you get.”

If you try to book a flight to Tenerife, you can! Now, if you said out of Cork, I would have agreed with you, but would have told you to just drive up to Dublin and fly from there! Simple really!

Really? That’s funny, last time I was in Tenerife, we flew there and back with Aer Lingus.

Oh, so because Aerlingus dont operate one particular route at the time of your choosing? How ridiculous! I like to fly to Munich. Ryanair dont go there from Cork. Or Paris, Amsterdam, Birmingham, Manchester, Berlin, Edinburgh, etc etc

Had to double take there sorry! lol

I merely pointed out a fact that this story has not been confirmed. It is not true as of yet. Is it a problem that I like to read the truth? I’m not stirring anything and by the way it is irrelevant whether or not I am employed.

Nice idea Sean but a bit naive…….Ryanair will not allow themselves to be tied into a 10 yer deal on serviced Irish regional airports.

-EI already pay their tax in Ireland, so shaving off 50% of their routes to FlyBe defeats the irish focus.
-EI employ Irish staff at more than minimum wage. FR employ staff from all over Europe who do not neccisarily put their cash back into the Irish economy.
-Ryanair have gradually scaled back their Irish operation in favour of pan-European expansion. EI are completly tied to the Irish market.

Why not, you don’t know that as the Governments position is to ignore any proposal by FR. If they’re offering €100 million and 9 aircraft in sweeteners to other airlines then there is plenty more in the pot for dealing. Naive… A little harsh Jonathan, I think, when I’m only trying to balance a clearly one sided debate. Also the Government has made it clear that they’ll sell their shares in EI to anyone except FR which is, well, naive of the Government and any potential tax income may ultimately leave Ireland and be paid into another European jurisdiction. BTW Flybe Ireland would pay corporation tax in Ireland not the UK.
EI have only just returned to profit so have paid no tax for many years.
Staff wise I understand what you’re saying but FR run more planes on existing routes so more planes, more staff, more ground crew, more service staff etc etc and a smart government could facilitate some of this in Ireland. Rather than block successful tax paying businesses – embrace and support them.
Maybe a different route would be a share deal for Ireland PLC in FR.
Just throwing it out there…

Pies someone off daily

Take another shot at it Nellie

The word is pisist ;-)

Not true!