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Damien Kiberd Why we need to deliver an Irish version of the NHS

Two million Irish people pay for private health cover out of fear of our public system – but both are broken. Here’s what we COULD do…

WHY DO TWO million Irish people pay for private health insurance? The only answer is fear.

They’re strapped for cash yet they pay thousands of Euro to VHI, Laya, Aviva and others. They’re already contributing through general taxation to pay the €14bn a year it costs to run the public health system. That includes the wages of almost 100,000 health workers.

Yet they choose to pay even more for private cover because they think, rightly or wrongly, that they are purchasing a type of preferential treatment. Ninety-seven years after Ireland proclaimed itself a Republic they think they are paying for shorter waiting times, better medical advice and nicer rooms in hospitals.

At the mercy of the public system

Some of them are afraid that if they put themselves at the mercy of the public system they will face unconscionable even dangerous delays. They are terrified they will go into hospital sick and come out sicker.

People value their insurance cover. Yet the rapidly escalating price of insurance, driven to unaffordable heights by the level medical cost inflation, is forcing tens of thousands of families out of the private insurance system. In the last four years some 250,000 have dropped out altogether. This figure will accelerate from now on.

That’s partly because the government administered not one but three severe blows to policyholders in recent weeks.

First, Finance Minister Noonan cut the tax relief on premiums yet again. Initially he claimed this would affect the cost of 577,000 policies covering an unspecified number of citizens. But he was quickly told by the insurance companies that the correct figure was €1.1m or 90% of all policies. Bizarrely, it appears that the tax change was not notified to the Health Minister in advance.

Trebling the dose of castor oil

Then the Health Minister Dr Reilly doubled and trebled the dose of castor oil. He approved a 14% hike in the risk equalisation levy that pays for what’s called community rating – the pricing policy which allows everybody to pay the same for cover regardless of their level of risk.

Simultaneously Reilly indicated that there would be higher daily charges for private patients occupying beds in public hospitals.

The net result is that premiums may go up by close to 20% next year, driving yet more people to drop their cover.

Slowly but surely the health insurance system is being brought to the point of collapse. The people who are dropping cover are young, generally healthy, people who cross subsidise the elderly. The centre cannot hold.

As this process continues insurers will have to charge everyone including the elderly more and more for policies that offer less and less cover. What used to be the plain man’s choice – the VHI’s Plan B – is now described as a luxury product.

The problem of paying ‘excesses’

In desperation, the big insurance firms are trying to convince the insured to buy lesser forms of insurance: policies that insure you against a reduced range of medical problems. The next stop will be policies that oblige you to pay the first part of the cost of any claim, and policies that force the insured person to make what are called “co-payments” or contributions towards parts of the total bill.

Community rating, and the related efforts to prop up the VHI via transfers from other insurers, represent an honourable but doomed attempt to protect the health insurance system from collapse. Ideologically, its continuance is an example of social democratic flag waving that distracts from the reality of a health sector that is increasingly reliant on private hospitals and private clinics. But how long can the policy last?

The current muddled health strategy contains other therapeutic attempts to salve the bad conscience of the Labour Party such as the recent introduction of GP-only medical cards for the under-sixes, regardless of their parental income.

Smart readers of this column will by now getting quite annoyed. It’s all very well to lacerate the government,  but where is the alternative solution?

They will point out that the government is committed to free-GP care for everybody by 2016, and to a system of universal health insurance within the lifetime of the next Dail.

The ‘jam tomorrow’ school of public policy-making

These promises come straight out of the “jam tomorrow” school of public policy making and have been described as complete fantasy by the medical unions. But even if 4.6m people could be conscripted into a gigantic universal insurance system there is no proof that this would make the delivery of Irish healthcare less problematic or less money-driven than it already is today.

Insurance schemes of the type favoured in OECD countries invariably rely on competitive pricing mechanisms to determine the allocation of scarce resources.  Public hospitals not merely compete on price with each other. They compete with private hospitals as well.

Typically hospitals are given fixed monetary amounts for the performance of specific medical tasks. They might be given €10,000, say, for a standard surgical procedure. Financial controllers in each hospital are then mandated by their bosses to deliver such a procedure at a lower cost than the fee that is paid, with the difference accruing to efficient hospital as a form of retained earnings/surplus.

Over time the ruthless application of market forces means that profitable procedures come to be favoured at the expense of those returning a marginal surplus. Other highly expensive treatments, though medically necessary, may be refused altogether because they result in a “loss”.

The insurance companies also have to return a profit, with insured persons – the entire population- “purchasing” cover from the most efficient insurers in yet another example of competitive pricing.

Top-class care; massive financial headache

In the United States both the Medicare and Medicaid systems rely heavily on  privately owned for-profit hospitals and private for-profit insurance companies. They deliver a superb standard of healthcare to a majority of citizens. But the system is hugely expensive (more than twice the cost of Britain’s NHS) and many of those who use it face massive residual bills for their treatment. This is because of the application of what we call “excesses” and what Americans call “deductibles” and to the routine insistence that the sick make “co-payments” towards the costs of treatment.

You get top class care but you’re left with a massive financial headache.

A study conducted by the Harvard Business School revealed that by 2007 some 60% of bankruptcies in the US arose due to medical charges incurred by people who in many cases owned expensive forms of health insurance.

In Ireland the sum total of the premia paid for private insurance is less than 10% of the cost of delivering the health service. It’s just a drop in the ocean. But even these contributions can only be sustained because the government offers policyholders tax breaks that cost €500m a year even after recent cutbacks.

Universal insurance schemes across Europe are running into massive problems. France frequently secures very high ratings in European league tables but its system already relies on significant co-payments and its vast social insurance fund is in massive debt.

Irish version of the NHS by end-2016?

Rather than making a series of botched attempts here in Ireland to increase the role of private insurers and private hospitals within a profit-focused system that may ultimately prove unable to yield them a profit we should consider an alternative way forward. We should take a big deep breath and use the three years between now and end-2016 to deliver an Irish version of the NHS.

This system was created by the British as long ago as 1948 and has withstood a decade and a half of Thatcherite economics. Who says Ireland cannot match such a system in 2016?

The NHS is not without its flaws and years of market-oriented managerialism under both Labour and the Conservatives have eroded the vocational character and sense of mission that fired up its creators. But is does deliver a tightly managed universal healthcare system that is comprehensive and free.

A similar system is the minimum we might create here in Ireland using the existing army of 100,000 healthcare workers already employed  by the HSE. The creation of such a system, in which healthcare is a “free good”, would naturally require political courage and very strong management skills. But it would be an appropriate achievement to mark the centenary of the 1916 Rising and it could ensure equal treatment for all sick persons.

Are we afraid to think big? The alternative is to continue to patch up a system which already involves increasing “co-payments” for prescription charges, which allows the affluent to skip queues for access to consultants and which will shortly allow people with private insurance to out-bid public patients for access to public beds in public hospitals.

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    Mute Nollaig Elliot
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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:17 AM

    People just get angry and offended by everything now ffs. I am so happy to have grown up in the generation I did. Giving the whole world a platform has just made things too sensitive.

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    Mute Daniel O'Connor
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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:35 AM

    @Nollaig Elliot: I cant believe you just said that. Apologise immediately to me, before I cry

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:13 AM

    @Nollaig Elliot: You are 100% correct.Everyone is SOOO fu@king sensitive now.These snowflakes wouldn’t have been much good between 1939-1945.The ‘always offended” pussy generation.

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:44 AM

    @Kieran Conroy: nothing turns you lot into raging snowflakes like an article on women! Boom your head explodes! It’s so funny!

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:05 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: Right on Kieran.

    You must have enjoyed letting the Catholic Church do all your thinking for you, while at the same time meekly turning a blind eye to child abuse, institutionalization of single mothers, overt racism and the criminalization of homosexuals.

    They were the good old days alright.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:25 PM

    @Nollaig Elliot:
    I’m offended by your comment.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:49 PM

    @Deborah Behan: Hi Deb! Happy new year.x

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:51 PM

    @MK76: Actually I hate all religion.Doesn’t take away from the fact that we now have a generation of easily offended weaklings.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Deborah Behan: it’s not the article that ticks people off its the feminazi lunatic commentary that makes one want to shoot oneself in the face.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 2:24 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: So you think speaking out against and/or calling out racism, bigotry, misogyny, anti-semitism etc is a sign of weakness?

    You’ll find that says a lot more about you, than anybody else.

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    Mute Margaret Lane
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    Jan 1st 2018, 4:11 PM

    I really doubt people are offended any more than they ever were. It has just become acceptable to say so now. When I was a child in the ’80s, there was always a sense that if you were bullied, you must be weak or “too quiet” or in some way have brought it on yourself, so for that reason, most people who were being bullied, denied it vigorously if anybody asked them about it. To admit somebody was treating you badly was seen as an indictment of you, as if you were somehow responsible for somebody else’s behaviour. And so, people suffered in silence.

    Now we have realised for the most part, that this is ridiculous and extremely harmful. We have seen how abusers and bullies continued to abuse and bully others because nobody ever reported them. So it has become more acceptable to say “no, it not OK to bully/abuse/make racist comments to me.”

    So it looks as if more people are hurt by being abused or bullied but I don’t think people in the past were any less upset. They were just told to shut up and put up with it.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 5:03 PM

    @Margaret Lane: the same situation pertains now. People in a stronger position bully, use and manipulate weaker people. Just an unpleasant fact of life. Men are no more likely to look for help today as they were yesterday. May be different for women I don’t know.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:34 PM

    @Nollaig Elliot: Peoples egos are to blame, their arrogance has made them think they are right especially if others agree with them. This has killed off free speech with free ideas as well as free will, people have lost their individualism for the sake of fitting in and being noticed, they want to be accepted now and belong, they don’t care what is right or wrong as long as they can fit in and get noticed.
    Anger is a form of being spoilt, always getting their way from bad parenting as anger comes from a lack of control and at its heart is being spoilt. Always getting your way as a child never prepares anyone to deal with setbacks or hardships, so when it happens they are never mature enough to handle it. So I think they turn this rejection onto themselves or onto others them as in bullying. The mass media has replaced parents and parenting now and the things it teaches should be the domain of parents but parents now expect teachers to parent instead of them. People are losing how and what to do because they spent too much time listening to others telling them what to believe, feel and think. Mainly due to the culture from the U.S. of consumerism with their morals broadcasted into their homes from the media made by people who are like Harvey Weinstein and his like. No one thinks for themselves and that is why they’re so angry because they don’t know what they really want, how to get what they want and how to be happy with what they have?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:47 PM

    @MK76: first dig at the CC for 2018 was hoping you would ease back a bit you are a boring clown

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:25 AM

    It was the year of getting a very immature, image obsessed taoiseach!

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:19 PM

    @Adrian: We live in the age of fakeness, mass consumerism, Trumps twitter rants, May’s brainless decisions, EU corruption and Bankers greed as well as thick snowflakes. Society dictates what it becomes from behaving as it does, it feeds itself because society is breaking down, the end of empires has begun because everything is so corrupt now that it has lost its backbone which is needed for to survive?
    http://flhef.org/pdf/The%20Cycle%20of%20Nations.pdf

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:10 AM

    You forgot election of Macron in France both major parties lost the election….Anger of electroate…Is making thousands of public servants redundant and promises to cut public spending in France by €60 billion over 5 years…Still seen by mainstream media as a great socialist leader…Merkel in Germany also electroate angry at her immigration policy….No anger in Ireland however….

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:18 AM

    @John003: you seem to be speaking for electorates of other populations which both rejected the reactionary right wing politics that personifies the kind of undirected anger being talked about. And Macron is not seen as a socialist, no one talks about him as a socialist. You might be confusing economic policy (he’s right of center, especially for France) with social policies (he’s a moderate, not all that liberal really).
    Yeah not sure what you’re on about really.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:36 AM

    @John003: Macron was nominally a member of the Socialist Party in France from 2006 to 2009 so as to hold unsecured positions but he was never an actual socialist. His background is that of senior civil servant in economics and finance as well as previously an Investment Banker. The mainstream media has never depicted Macron as socialist and therefore your comment is uninformed as well as inaccurate.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:59 AM

    Goosfraba !

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:28 AM

    If I believed everything in the media I would

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:10 AM

    It was the year of watching the orange train wreck..over and over again.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:46 PM

    @Dave Sherman: Capt. America on twitter living in Lalaland?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:06 AM

    Can’t we all just get along!

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:09 AM

    @The Bunk: did you not read the article .. because we are angry

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:20 AM

    @The Bunk: if ye don’t shut up I’ll fuking kill ye !!

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:49 PM

    @The Bunk: just think of the children

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:38 PM

    @The Bunk: No, too many are telling others that their wrong because they think it makes them look right?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:19 AM

    2018.The year of destroying the far left s@umbags once and for all.God bless President Trump.Long may he reign.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:39 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: He’s a sociopath?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:12 AM

    Why won’t drivers indicate at roundabouts? Aaarrrgghh.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:40 PM

    @Leadóg: Because they are that arrogant that they expect you to be psychic?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:28 AM

    Read “Age of Anger” by Pankaj Mishra. There is a trend to rise in anger and rage but it strarted before 2017 although it was more emphasised in degree in 2017 than before.

    Social media has set a trend for dissemination of feelomgs of anger and conventional media is responding to the public attitude of looking for more and more angry content.

    Trump acquired the US Presidency on the back of anger. Anger is produced by fear and hate. People can be more easily manipulated by negative emotions than positive emotions, responding uncritically when the more primitive parts of the brain are excited.

    The hard right and the ultra right, authoritarianism and fascism thrive in a climate of anger generated by fear and hate. A manipulated politician sees sources of fear where there are nine and becomes blind to what should sources of fear.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:50 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: I couldn’t have described the whole feminist movement better myself. Great comment Fiona. Feminism and its authoritarian nature is a result of this ‘anger’ you talk of.
    Great to know, as I can now get back to ignoring them.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:52 AM

    @Liam: you lack the power of comprehension by keep trying.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: don’t feed the troll Fiona.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:28 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: That’s all very Yoda but the labels you use are somewhere confusing. Hard right, ultra right etc etc are actually given by people like you to those who are angry because governments and institutions make decisions and cannot be challenged or changed. As we know if you have been negatively affected by the EU stance of migration and you dare say anything you are labelled and silenced. Today in Germany a law comes into use that enables them silence all opposition to the government’s policies on social media as it will be branded as hare speech. We’ve been seeing it already on facebook where they are using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Its that totalitarian approach to silence unlicensed opinion that causes anger. I have to say I’ve been shocked at what FB have been doing.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:57 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: I think the right and left now are different sides of the same coin especially when the left in the U.S. can burn peoples property on them, injure and threaten others with murder. All violence is the same on both sides, as Dr. No said East and West are just points on a compass, the same now can be said about the left and right in politics and in society.
    Balance is about treating others as you would like them to treat you and that is the key of society but society is changing due to politics and due to social media especially when ones can hide under handles that allows them to be as negative as they like because the feel they don’t have control. Racism, sectarianism, poverty and class all create a feeling of not being in control and this lack of control can create racism, sectarianism, classism and hatred, it creates and feeds itself and draws itself to itself especially when like can attract like on the world wide web, the more people find others who believe, feel and act as they do then the more they think that they are right and then the more extreme things become and all because people are sheep-like in their nature?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:36 AM

    Yeah, the Left sure like to whinge! Everyone else just gets on with it. In the US the stock market is flourishing, unemployment is down, the POTUS is getting through his pre-election promises at a fair rate.
    Here, the stability brought about by the minority government and its “confidence & supply” arrangement with Fianna Fáil has brought about significant successes such as reduced unemployment rate, early repayment of debts, etc. Sure, homelessness and the cost of housing continues to be a bi

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:38 AM

    @Brian Lenehan: … big issue, and I’m not sure that any government would be able to resolve it without a referendum to remove or amend the right to property, but in the whole there’s a lot to be happy about.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 4:13 PM

    Though of course Trump has had no time to have any impact on the economy yet, so if the economy of the U.S. is doing well, it is all to the credit of Obama and possibly Bush.

    We won’t know what impact Trump has on the economy for a good few years yet.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:42 PM

    @Brian Lenehan: People haven’t yet realised what the outcome of what he is doing and it will hit them like a 10 tonne truck when they do…

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:55 AM

    If we could be angry in a more positive way…All the petty acts of terrorism but not one really good revolution. Only so much marching and pillow punching you can do. If anything, 2017 was “the year of fear” – anxiously looking over your shoulder. And yet another year in the sorry saga of “talking about but doing nothing about” the big three: loneliness, homelessness and mental illness. 2017 was a wasted year.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 9:03 PM

    @Paul Jennings: Anger can never be used in a positive way, it is always destructive, anger never accepts, motivates or handles anything in a positive way. It just adds to more negativity.
    What people need is motivation, love, acceptance, growth and a reality check. Nothing ever gets changed because people never own anything, they pass the buck and kick the can down the road and so things keep getting worse as a result. It never helps because people have their own priorities and these are always selfish and self absorbed?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:14 PM

    So when is the Journal going to cover the fact that the founder of Esprit and a political backer of Clinton was found out to be paying $500,000 dollars to back women accusing Trump of sexual assault during the election campaign?

    Corruption and unethical politics by the Democrats and their supporters seems like a pretty important topic.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 10:11 AM

    Ah 2018 we’re more prepared to better ourselves than than we were 2017 .

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    Jan 1st 2018, 11:10 AM

    The only angry fools in 2017 were the un-democratic far left.Can’t accept President Trump.Can’t accept Brexit.A bunch of small minded village idiots.Toys out of the pram.Assh@les.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:09 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: ___ Angry fools aren’t just far left, as you seem to be a far right angry fool.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:58 PM

    @Ted Murray: I’m actually left wing when it comes to things like workers rights etc.I’m leaning very much right when dealing with crime & punishment & Islamic terrorism.You see, people don’t have to be far left or far right.Some people find this concept difficult to understand.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:48 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: likewise. The problem however is that left wing economic policies come prepackaged with liberal social policy/mass immigration.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 2:24 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: i can see why trump and brexit happened. Wishful thinking on the good old days BS. Where men were men and uppity people knew there place. Trump is in power to make himself and him mates Koch brothers and co etc rich end of and brexit was the idea that little Britain wants their empire back. Take their country back from the EU and then sell off the health service/ transportation bit by bit. Duh!

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    Jan 1st 2018, 5:07 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: ___ It seems to me that you’re simply politically confused.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:06 PM

    I am so angry being asked this question.
    Ooh,I could crush a grape I’m so angry.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:07 PM

    @gerry fallon: Sex helps but not with Trump lol.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:43 PM

    There is a definite increase in manufactured anger in recent times. We all know the smug, indignant empty rage at the appropriate juncture…spew

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:28 PM

    In the words of the Sex Pistols, “anger is an energy”….

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:58 PM

    @Avina Laaf: That was Public Image Limited, not the Sex Pistols. Now I’m angry!

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:22 PM

    @Avina Laaf: Or anger’s an overreaction to an artificially induced state of fear.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Eliza Mac:
    I knew I should have said Johnny Rotten instead of the Sex Pistols. I’m angry with myself now for angering you…..

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    Jan 1st 2018, 1:48 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald:
    So next time I get angry because it’s raining on my day off I’ll remind myself that it’s only an overreaction to an artificially induced state of fear…. Thanks for the tip.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:45 PM

    @Avina Laaf: Anger takes away from motivation and creativity, replace anger with humour instead, it has greater lasting powers?

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:40 PM

    Yes but she has calmed down a bit now. Happy New Year.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 12:35 PM

    lot of drama on TV too especially on the news with the terrorism etc. Apart from that it was grand.

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    Jan 1st 2018, 8:06 PM

    Anger seems to be caused by a lack of control, desperation or from stupidity, those 3 seemed to sum up 2016 and 2017 as well. Why would 2018 be any different?

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