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Column: Is the euro really essential to our economy?

Fine Gael TD Eoghan Murphy doesn’t want to see us drop the euro – but if it’s a choice between staying in the eurozone or keeping control of our domestic fiscal affairs…

Eoghan Murphy Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-East

THE RAPID PACE at which events are unfolding in the eurozone makes it difficult to focus on much else. Last week we saw a change of leadership in two member countries, Greece and Italy, the UK confirmed that it is drawing up contingency plans for a break-up of the euro, and the likelihood of further structural changes to properly manage the zone were brought centre stage. In a matter of months we’ve moved faster than we have for decades.

Describing this as a crisis point for the eurozone doesn’t quite get at it – this is its defining moment in time: that point where it dies a painful death, or stands up stronger, bolder and better than before. Much commentary has focussed on the chaos that would most certainly follow the former, and the perhaps impossible leaps required to get us to the latter.

We may still muddle on for a bit, as we have since the crisis first erupted early last year. But we’re only delaying the inevitable. The eurozone question must be answered, by each of us.

In order for us here in Ireland to better understand the options facing us, and so be better prepared, we have to ask ourselves two questions. The first being: is the euro essential to our economy? And the second: is the euro essential to the future of European political and economic cooperation?

Is the euro essential to our economy?

There was an economy in Ireland before the euro and there will still be one if we leave the euro or if the currency itself disintegrates. The euro is the currency denomination in which we trade with others. We could, as we have in the past, trade with another denomination if needs be. What is essential to our economy, what our economy is based upon, is what we produce and how our resources are organised to produce it (also known as the factors of production).

Exit from the euro in whatever form – moving us to a different, less valued currency denomination – would be incredibly chaotic and would damage parts of our economy certainly. It would also strengthen others. Life would get a lot tougher, very quickly. But it wouldn’t be the end. Some would argue that it would in fact be the beginning of our economic recovery proper because it would dramatically reduce production costs and increase competitiveness, make exports even stronger and make imports more expensive, helping a seriously sluggish domestic economy to get moving.

But perhaps the only certainty across these two positions is that a lot of people will lose a lot of money.

Is the euro essential to the future of European political and economic cooperation?

We are mistaken if we believe that the euro is the natural progression from the European Coal and Steel Community set up in the 1950s, or some essential step in the European project. This betrays both an improper understanding of history and a poor grasp of what Europe is. The ECSC was designed to centralise control of the European market for two key raw materials in the industrial war machine, coal and steel, in the understanding that shared control of such vital materials would keep those in the market from raising armies against each other. It did this. And in doing this, leaders realised that there was room for greater cooperation, on a range of fronts. And the project continued. Independent nations working together.

My point here is that the EU can continue without the euro and it is scaremongering to suggest otherwise. A simple fact is that the EU already exists for 10 members without it. So it may just be that a common currency is one aspect of cooperation that is just too far for some, if not all of us. But if the euro fails or if its membership changes it does not by necessity mean the EU itself is over. All that was built before the euro, all the good aspects of our cooperation, from preventing war to making life better for a lot of people, does not have to come tumbling down. (Whether it would or not would depend on how a possible currency break-up and the resulting sovereign defaults were handled.)

Why do I make these points? Not because I want us to leave the euro or because I want it to break up – I don’t; the government is doing an excellent job putting the country’s finances back on a secure footing and in building a path to future prosperity and financial and economic independence. Disruption of the euro will yield massive disruption here at home, an economic hurricane perhaps not witnessed since political independence. But we must have no jingoistic affection for the currency – it is a financial tool.

I make these points because I believe we could be faced with a choice in the near future in relation to our participation in the eurozone, a should I stay or should I go moment.

Now going would be trouble. But staying could mean the end of the state’s fiscal autonomy.

Much commentary would suggest that for the euro to survive and thrive more than a strengthening of the Growth and Stability pact or giving greater powers to the ECB is required. This belief is premised upon a position that currency union requires greater fiscal union – giving up national control of what we tax and spend and how much we tax and spend. And Angela Merkel shares this belief.

Control divested to leaders of other countries, who would control all our financial affairs and could penalise us if we step out of line. No equal sovereigns at one table, no veto. The Taoiseach and Minister for Finance would report to a committee of other world leaders and be directed by them.

We’re actually kind of in that situation now because we’ve suspended financial control in return for financial assistance. But that’s only meant to be a temporary arrangement. Our ambition remains to return to the markets and the international system as an independent sovereign state with full control over our domestic fiscal affairs.

Staying in the euro, if it required a loss of fiscal controls, would mean giving up that part of our political independence for good. Choosing to have no more choice in what is a pretty fundamental (perhaps the fundamental) aspect of the governance of the state. As it stands, governments stand or fall by their ability to pass money bills. But what if they’re no longer really responsible for them – who stands or falls then? Who takes responsibility?

If someone tells you how to spend your money, is it really your money? If someone tells you what to choose to spend it on, is it really a choice? The answer is no. Under this vision of where the euro must go from here, how much we tax and how much we spend would no longer be in our control. We need to understand this, now.

It would be the biggest decision ever taken by this State and it is not one to be marshalled in to blindly or hastily. The government’s position is that there should be no more treaty changes and I support that. The euro should be made to work within its existing powers.

And if it can’t then it can’t. The question then though will be a lot more fundamental than what currency we choose to trade in. It will be one that will challenge our future existence as an independent and sovereign nation. Is this what the European project was meant to be about?

About the author:

Eoghan Murphy  / Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-East

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Comments (43 Comments)

  • Hmmm…seems they are preparing us for the event!

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  • I have many years experience in import and distribution having worked for over 15 years for three different companies from a Multi National to local distributors. All of this experience was prior to the introduction of the euro (I now work in the retail sector). As an importer, currency exchange was an ongoing issue but we had no alternative.

    Every transaction carried both a risk and a cost. To minimise the risk you had to increase the cost or to reduce cost you had to run a higher risk that the exchange rate would move against you. In simple terms, you could place an order in say Sterling, knowing the value of the order in Irish Punts but on the day you actually paid for the goods they could have a different cost in IR£. As I said there were different methods of minimising that risk – for example, forward buying the currency of choice – this is where the higher cost came in. The only people who liked the system were the banks.

    Remember this didn’t involve just one or two currencies, our products could have been coming from a number of different countries. If you had asked any of the companies I worked for, if they would like to buy and sell in one currency – the answer would have been, yes please.

    Did we survive? Yes. Did we make profits? Yes. But remember, we had no choice!! If the euro dies, we will survive but there will be some damage to business. There is however a VERY important point to make – surviving the death of the euro is one thing, surviving OUTSIDE the euro is completely different.

    If the euro was to continue but Ireland was not a member of it, Irish businesses would suffer a major disaster. In this situation an Irish based business (and that includes foreign owned companies) would be at a serious disadvantage. We would have higher costs and higher risks when compared to companies inside a revised eurozone. Irish exports would suffer, inward investment would slow and (over time) some of the foreign owned companies would relocate.

    We can survive the euro but we may not be able to survive outside it.

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    • I think that you are missing one key point from a fine post admittedly.

      What is needed for the Euro to survive is not in place, the Germans are adamantly refusing to monetize, given that the demand for the Euro is not there, it would lead to large inflation, given that it would have to be a trillion plus over a couple of years, it could lead to hyperinflation.

      Europe’s banks are refusing to engage in large scale debt write down or cancellation, they tell Merkel what to do and she tells Europe what it should do.

      No one in Europe has given a credible plan over the last 3 years that could even manage a crisis a qtr the size of this one. They do not have time now. France is next in the firing line, once it has to bailout its banks, and it will, it will be looking at default territory. No one Europe is capable of facing up to what must be done. Austerity is only a small part of it, the least of it actually.

      The Euro is too weak a currency to suit Germany and Holland, giving their exports an artificial boost, it is too strong for most of the south, making them artificially weaker. Add in that interest rates are always set to suit German needs, rather than others, and for a large group of countries, the Euro is completely unsuitable, this essential contradiction in it, will mean that either half of Europe, accepts permanent austerity, Germany sets up a transfer union or it falls apart.

      Life will continue after the Euro, it’ll have to.

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    • Norway does very well both outside the Eurozone and outside the EU

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  • Excellent piece- makes a difficult topic easier to understand

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  • We are not going to leave the Euro it will leave us, either through its complete collapse, or its going back to a small core and kicking the rest of us out.

    Mechanism or no mechanism that is what will happen, when you have a FG TD writing an article saying that national sovereignty and democracy should not be sacrificed on the alter of the Euro, well, that is just ground breaking stuff.

    The mantra of our leadership and people for the last 90 years is that we are not capable, not good enough and have to be led by others. Well it is time to man up Ireland and take charge of yourself, sucking at a larger country or blocks hind tit, can only lead to disaster.

    A very interesting article by Murphy and hopefully symbolic of the maturing of his party.

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  • Well written.
    I’d love to see a detailed ‘what if’ for us moving to Sterling too. Punts *could* be silly for us – we can’t trust our own govt. to do anything right.

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    • More unexplained downvotes. Glad to see that intelligent debate is still alive and well on the site.

      Of course, how very DARE an Irish person suggest any sort of affiliation to ‘de brits’

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    • Or even in with the Dollar. Think all possibilities should be investigated and put to the people.

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    • Would we be in this mess if Angela Merkel had been in charge instead of Bertie ? I doubt it. If we can’t trust our politicians to govern with honesty then maybe we don’t deserve sovereignty and autonomy.

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    • True.. I admit, I discounted that automatically because I trust the US govt. less than ours – their distance from us could prove to be a major downside when it comes to sorting out problems.

      Still, it should be on the list!

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    • Daniel. Your sentiments had nothing to do with “de Brits”, it just smacked of pure old Irish self hatred, the kind of crap that got us in to the mess in the first place. A bit of self-respect and getting off your butt and holding the Govt. here to account might be considered the more normal approach.

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    • Going to Sterling doesn’t solve anything! The reason for changing currency is devaluation so if you go to Sterling you owe the same money just in Sterling.
      If we peg a new currency to sterling and it devalues by a factor of 10 you owe ten times less but your savings are also worth ten times less.
      The thumbs down are nothing to do with the brits you clown!!

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  • “If someone tells you how to spend your money, is it really your money?
    If someone tells you what to choose to spend it on, is it really a choice?
    The answer is no.”

    So what we really need is a no-tax anarchist state so the people have full control over their money :D

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  • Obvious alternative: the Irish pound which is linked to parity with sterling,…best of both worlds.

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    • Iain, we’d be back in the same situation in no time. You can only link your currency to another (effectively what’s happened with having the euro) by matching your monetary policies. If the UK increased interest rates to tame inflationary growth at a time when Ireland wasn’t growing, we’d have to do the same and our economy would be screwed. If we didn’t, the currency peg would fall apart.

      If we are forced to abandon the euro (and I don’t think we will be, but who knows), the last thing we should do is put ourselves back into the same situation again.

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  • Its the typical democratic deficit probelm if the euro goes ahead with closer economic integration the people we elect will not have the power to control our fiscal affairs so what are we voting for?

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  • Jesus Christ, what a load of tripe. There are two possible options here.

    1- That Fine Gael is priming the electorate for a euro exit. From terms of debt exchange alone this is madness. Tens of thousands of jobs lost. Banks shut down through lack of capital. Imports halted. Why would countries sell to someone whose currency is worth half of what it was worth when the deal was struck. If you take Iceland as an example, when their currency collapsed, growth halved. Pensions lost one third of their value. Imports were restricted to medicine food and oil. The impact on any company that has to import goods for manufacturing, feed, maintenance etc would be devastating. Not to mention the public service that would shut down due to lack of funding.

    2- A far more likely explanation is that this is just another publicity call from a TD whose main job in the fail seems to be congratulating fellow party members on whatever they happen to be saying that day. Popularist to a fault, this TD knows that a little euro scepticism is lapped up by the more vocal members of the journals readership. He tells us that the EU is telling us exactly what to spend our money on and therefore it is not our money. Fallacy! The EU is telling the Irish people that spending three times our income every year is not a sustainable course of action. They are telling the government, TD, is that if the government wants to dig a grave for this country, they are not going to supply a bigger shovel.

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    • Apologies for any spelling errors, was written on my phone.

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    • Leading economists and Investors all over the world are writing articles like this, former prominent advocates of the Euro are writing articles like this. Paul Krugman, the Nobel prize economist is saying that it looks like the Euro is going to go bust. Many of the people that the Euro States borrow money from say that the Euro cannot survive in its current form and that even if there is a bailout via the printing press, it may not survive.

      No one doubts that it will be rough when the Euro collapses, that does not mean that the currency will survive.

      So unless all of the above are populist TD’s or wannabe Populist TD’s, then I’d say that it is going to be A.

      The Euro will go down as one of the great mistakes of European history.

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    • Tim leaving the euro and the euro collapsing are two very different beasts. Leaving the euro is what the article and I were talking about. If we leave the euro, our debt is in euro, and we see the results I outlined above. If the euro collapses well, I imagine the debt will revert to the currency of each donor country. This as you can imagine could increase or decrease the debt. It depends on how each currency rebounds individually in the aftermath. A euro collapse is actually a much more preferred situation to a euro exit.

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    • I suspect the last throw of the Euro dice may be to get the PIIGS out by writing down their debt to manageable levels. Pay us to leave.

      Either way, the European Parliament in 2014 is going to have a lot of Eu Skeptic MEPS, not least from Germany.

      On a little reported story, a member of the Bundestag, a member of the FDU party, a member of the coalition in Germany has used a little know clause in their constitution to have the Party’s support for the ESFS put to a referendum. As it currently stands it looks like he’ll get his majority and the FDU will vote against the ESFS, killing it dead. Not that there is even a penny in it. If the Euro lasts till mid-Dec. it’ll have this hurdle next.

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  • Does it really matter what currency we have their only going to make the same mistakes

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    • The markets would never have never allowed the countries and banks of Europe to borrow to the scale that they did. Look at the banks of Germany, they lent in an incredibly reckless manner. People borrowed in a reckless manner.

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    • It is not a coincidence that periphery nations have been more adversely affected by this crisis.
      The ECB set low interests during the boom to suit the then recessionary central European nations. This fuelled excessive spending in the periphery.
      The opposite will happen as Europe emerges from this crisis. Central Europe will recover more quickly. So the ECB will push up interest rates-slowing or stalling any recovery in the periphery.
      http://mises.org/daily/5800/Why-Is-There-a-Euro-Crisis

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  • Lamb 16/11/11 #

    I there is an exit of the Euro. Tourism will see a lift from the cheaper currency. However, cheaper goods may be shortlived; we have to import oil, high protein wheat (for bread, Irish wheat is not suitable), other produce, electronics etc. etc, some are consumer goods which will be’more expensive straight away, some are inputs which will result in the price of Irish produced goods going up. We produce very little so we have will be importing inflation which could cripple us as the costs flow through the supply chain. The buying power of our wages will be less, we will be able to consume fewer goods, which could result in the loss of more jobs. On the other hand it may encourage manufacturing jobs back to Ireland as our skilled + productive labour force will be cheaper overnight.

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  • Nice article. I’d love to know when it comes to a “should we stay or go” moment whether or not the people will get to vote on it. If we do, I’d love to know how many times any sizable public votes (assuming that there might be) to leave the Euro will be ignored, and how many Nice2/Lisbon2 style reframings of the stick/carrot Continuity Fianna Fail will serve up.

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  • Make Stirling legal tender to run concurrent with euros with no charges for conversion. When I see goods labeled here as 30 euro or 20GBP but the dealer won’t accept Stirling its galling to say the least. The customer has the choice then.

    Even German pilots got over their nationalistic hang ups when asked what equipment they needed and they said give us Spitfires.

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  • Just down the garden digging up the Punts i buried just in case.
    BTW the way how did we live and trade before the Euro ?? very well or in mud huts ….. i think very well, abandon the Euro, its a dead duck currency ,the European Union is a failed experiment, national self interest will always be our NO 1 priority.

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  • Interesting article and some great responses. I’m wondering how or why Murphy would peddle something so different to his Party-mates in Government. Lucinda Creighton, for example, has been ranting that there is no option other than the Euro, arguing that is is our currency and that, without it, we’d be in deep doo-doo. Minchael Noonan and Enda Kenny seem to support that view (call me cynical, but how much of this is profile-building by a back-bencher?). My worry is that if this goes to a vote, the automatic position of most voters will be to vote against whatever the Government proposes, without careful analysis of the issue and ramifications. We’re very good, including on these boards, at lashing out at the Government and engaging in lazy knee-jerk populist responses. Asking a non-expert public to vote on something like this is worrisome when even the experts can’t agree.

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  • Revert to the Sterling peg I
    Think.

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  • A) we wouldn’t have to trust the government to do anything right; we’ve given away any fiscal/economic control we had managed to hold onto in face of various EU treaties. B) Eoghan, you make some interesting points and I’m glad some FG TD’s are mooting these ideas (but you can give up any idea of becoming the Blueshirt spokesman for finace or even leader any time before your grandchildren finish college, as I’d imagine this would be construed as “youthful impetuousness”/disloyalty bu the current mumbling leadership). C)In the current situation, the Irish government does not have the “authority” to leave the Euro; you don’t think the Taoiseach didn’t notice the “regime change” orchestrated by France and Germany to protect the equity/debt sector’s interests from those countries?

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  • So we leave the Euro and endure several years of hardship and austerity, or we persevere with it and endure several years of hardship and austerity?
    Tough choice, lets ask Michael noonan what he thinks, he is the most senior economist in this country after all …:P

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  • taggers 16/11/11 #

    a certain ‘lively’ cork financial commentator said last week on Ireland AM that the European super rich are investing all their money in gold and Australian dollar schemes….should the ordinary Joe soap do the same?

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  • Apparently the Irish mint in Sandyford has been printing punts like there’s no tomorrow!!!!

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  • Leaving the euro would be horrific for the general public as petrol, coca-cola, and 80% of the day to day items we buy are imported. Prices would go through the roof relative to our punt wages. Companies that export on the other hand would do very nicely indeed as their revenues would stay the same (in say euro terms) whilst their costs would fall significantly.

    Given this, it surprises me that so many of the obvious lefties in this forum support it.

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    • Sure that’s what’s happening anyway, we could revert to bottle caps for currency and we’d still be importing and paying over the odds for domestic goods.
      And isn’t our exports the only shining light here at the moment?..surely reducing costs for them by abandoning the euro could only be a good thing, sigh……, you managed to put nonsense scares and positives into one paragraph.

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    • It would be great for exporters, terrible for importers and horrific for people in general. It would however get things back to some kind of normality in a shorter timeframe than the current approach.

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    • well toddy, i’d rather have a few years of hardship with our sovereignty intact than a few years of hardship under the jackboot of a foreign EU regime

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