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Older people could delay paying property tax until they die – Burton

The Social Protection minister says a range of ‘easy-pay options’ are being considered for payment of the property tax.

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OLDER PEOPLE may be able to delay the payments of their property tax until they die and their estate is passed on, a cabinet minister has said.

Social Protection minister Joan Burton said the proposal was one of a number of options being proposed by the Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan, for how the tax could be paid.

Noonan is planning measures which would allow the new tax – to be introduced in Wednesday’s Budget as a direct replacement for the €100 Household Charge – to be paid in a variety of ways, making it easier for households to budget for it.

Burton told RTÉ’s This Week programme that though Noonan was still working on legislation to give effect to the plans, his proposals included “a series of payment options”, which she said were important.

The new tax could be paid in a ‘traditional’ single payment, or potentially be paid by a regular intermittent standing order, Burton said – or be deducted from a person’s wages or social welfare payments, where appropriate.

The minister acknowledged that the latter option could be problematic, however, because of the existence of a minimum social welfare assistance rate which meant only a small percentage of a welfare payment could be removed.

“Somebody’s who on a low income can opt for a deferral,” Burton said, or “defer payment to such time as the property is sold”.

She added that in the case of older people, “they might defer it until their estate is distributed.”

Burton also said it was her personal preference to have universal welfare payments, like child benefit, made subject to income tax so that higher earners might give up a larger proportion of their benefits.

This would be preferable to making the payment means-tested, she said, because a regime of means-testing could be “very difficult for many middle-income families”.

Burton said, however, that IT systems were not currently in place that would allow benefits to be made taxable, and so it was “absolutely important to keep that universal payment at a high level, paid to a caring parent – the mother”.

Burton also dismissed newspaper suggestions that Labour ministers were growing impatient with the performance of the Minister for Health, James Reilly.

“Dr Reilly has a very difficult job in Health… around the cabinet table, to be honest, I’m not interested in personalities”.

“Members of the government have a programme for government, expressed in the Programme for Government,” Burton said.

“If one were to simply focus on personalities, that would simply be to the detriment of the work we have to do for the people of Ireland.”

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Comments (164 Comments)

  • I don’t recall grave robbing in the programme for government.

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  • This is disgusting and marks a new low in Irish politics…
    … maybe I should delay paying my mortgage until I’m dead & then they’ll have another thing to pursue my children for! For shame, Burton. For shame, FG/Labour.

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  • How are they going to implement a property tax early next year when they haven’t even got a clue who has, and hasn’t paid the household charge (which, as far as I’m aware is somewhere near 700,000)?

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    • They will eventually get the household charge (and the property tax) from everybody. When a house is sold or inherited after the death of the owner the tax/charge will be taken from the proceeds.

      Unfortunately people are going to be very very shocked when this happens because the interest and penalties on the household charge is huge. That 100 will have transformed into 1000 within a few years

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    • Let the people who caused this crisis pay for it. Namely, the Banks, the Politicians, the Rich and the ECB.

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    • @ cooperguy dont think they will be shocked as they will be gone ahem:)

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    • Through the PAYE system. What galls me is all the people who didnt pay the household charge have gotten off Scott free. That’s bent if you are one of those who paid it.

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    • @simon, its all you deserve if you paid it, it is immoral and if you paid it you are supporting disgraceful government policy, fair play to anyone that didn’t pay, shame on those that did

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    • @Larry this will also happen when you sell your house so you don’t have to be dead!

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    • @Larry this will also happen when you sell your house so you don’t have to be dead!

      @Simon they have gotten away with it for now but when the money is got eventually it will cost them an awful lot more. If you look at the list of tax settlements that revenue publish every now and again the interest and penalties can far exceed what was originally owed.

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    • @Larry It would also happen when you sell a house. You would be very much alive then.

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    • Declan 02/12/12 #

      Joan, that is the most morbid, evil satanic in nature comment I’ve ever heard from an Irish politicians gob. Now go rinse you’re mouth with a bar of black tar soap and say the rosary followed by ten Our Fathers and five Hail Mary’s.

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    • Revolting peasant an apt description.

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    • The poll here says 71 per cent have NOT paid and thats the truth. Media liars saying more paid then actually did.

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    • Christopher I’m not saying that the government are not lying but using stats from a journal poll to say that it just not going to give an accurate picture either. lets just say that the majority of people who log in here do so to vent their anger at the property tax. I’d say a lot of them have not paid but an overall picture of the whole country would be a lot different. your comment is vastly flawed as much as you are saying the governments stats are flawed

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    • Christopher just to back that up, I voted that I didn’t pay the household charge. but then I don’t own a house so don’t need to, but in order to see that poll results you have to vote on something

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  • Maybe we should delay paying politicians until they die. Now that would be value for money!

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  • Well this tax has me out! I’m done, the money coming in doesn’t match the money going out anymore.
    We’re very lucky that both of us are still working but between mortgage, childcare, gas, esb, food etc we can’t afford to pay this tax. No luxuries in this house, no going out, don’t smoke or drink, no sky movies etc. working purely to pay bills, there is nothing left at the end of the month.
    For the first time in my life I can’t afford to tax my car this month.
    Something has to give.

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  • So after you die your house will be subject to a percentage taken by the Fair Deal scheme for nursing home care and also backdated property tax. Why not just hand them the house to begin with.

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  • Ahhh , that’s nice , something to look forward to for old people . This s**t beggars belief . Wednesday will be very interesting . A kick in the balls from the government for Christmas .

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  • The Graverobber Tax brought to you by Vampire Ireland.

    Can I defer my ESB and gas bill until I die as well?
    How about my income tax?

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  • Sack the Advisors. This just cost her her seat. Same as the Bertie “suicide” comment.

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  • Seriously how low can labour go,,, they are bordering on the absolute scandalous,, finna fail/fianna gael you expect them heartless bast ards to inflict pain and misery,, but labour founded on workers rights and the vulnerable,,, they have no soul

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  • What a funny way to put a budget together: last minute negotiations not on the finer points but on USC vs Property tax … welfare etc.

    Unlikely to end up with any rational decisions

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  • How can u tax people on property that folks have mortgages on. I don’t see my property as an asset but a debt. So they are taxing us on a loans. Crazy and warped govt. And grave robbing now is a step too far.

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  • Oh my good god this has to be the worst I have ever heard from a government minister, can we please get rid of this bunch of graverobbers its getting beyond a joke, to take money from our dead to pay back the debts of a bunch of criminal gamblers is insane!

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  • OH FOR F**K’S SAKE I’VE HEARD IT ALL NOW!!!!
    Is there no depth of moral shame that these pretend Lefties will go to? I remember before the last election you couldn’t shut that woman up for love nor money with her ranting about how the people of this country have been treated (remember that night on Vincent Browne – she almost had to be carried off foaming at the mouth with a straitjacket on her).
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; Labour have lost any sense of moral dignity and are no longer a Party for the people. The sooner that Labour members and elected representatives find their lost sense of purpouse and realise this the better.
    I can see the posters for the next election:
    LABOUR – You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet!

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  • Does she want to check their coffins for valuables too…

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  • Don’t think I’ll ever see the day I can afford to own my own house. This used to upset me, but in the current scheme of things renting seems to be the way to go.

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  • If people do not pay and payments are deferred until after they die the money will not be coming in for years so why bother to rob the people today or in the grave, im sure gilmore and kenny will be cursed by the dead , they may retire on their big pensions but they will never live in peace with themselves when they think of what they have done to the people and the country, they should stop and think that one day they will have to face true justice where one law applies to all.

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    • It looks like a very badly concealed way to “cook the books” so that when people don’t pay they will come back with a load of figures for pensioners who ” would have” or “will pay” eventually, down the line but of course they will count them as having paid when it comes to publishing the percentage of compliance. Just stinks of desperation for a battle they know they have already lost! If they don’t know who is liable, how can they collect? Apparently, they are already sending bills out to people who have been dead for years.

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  • Paying tax from the grave, I’ve heard it all now. Is it me or does that just sound seriously immoral?

    It’s a pity they don’t put such a effort into fighting for us and the unfair loading of Europe’s debt on us.

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  • burton is a black hearted two faced paracite. She has proven herself to be as much of a liar as gilmore and kenny as as big a motormouthed s**** talker as varadkar.
    I sincerly hope this will come back to haunt her.
    Just remember burton,you will be looking for the peoples support you black hearted leech.

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  • Death and taxes…but just the curtain raiser before the big show on Wednesday. By the way, best prepare yourselvest for a drubbing FG/Lab as your government has just gone too far…. We voted you in and we can and will just as easily vote you out. In the meantime, you have turned the normally placid support base middle incomers into dissenters…

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  • Maybe we should all hold paying until we die.

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  • so payment to caring parent. the Mother. lone fathers are caring too!

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  • Niamh 02/12/12 #

    it’s a sad state of affairs, and a sad time for Ireland.

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  • I’m sick and tired of this shower living in their ivory towers dispensing their version of wisdom to us poor masses who just wouldn’t understand what’s good for us.
    I have a family member, he worked hard all his life, is extremely well educated to masters degree but now in his 50′s find’s himself out of work, just like thousands of others. He always paid his taxes, never lived the high life and tried to do everything right for his family. He told me recently that right now his priorities are paying his mortgage, food for his family, heat for the Winter months and getting a job. Christmas would be a bonus. In his words, right now he couldn’t give a damn about libraries, cutting grass verges or public amenities he’s hanging on by his fingernails.
    For his own government to say not to worry, he can pay this additional tax when he’s dead is the ultimate insult. He’s not alone, I can’t imagine the real worry and concern this will cause those in a similar position, for others who can’t afford existing taxes this is just something else they can’t afford. Those ivory towers are just getting taller, the people in them even more removed from those they serve.

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  • Ha, two certainties in life, death and taxes

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  • Niamh 02/12/12 #

    I am mortified for the government, how bloody dare they!

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  • The title of this article just sums up how low this mob will go, but if they kick the bucket their family still gets paid a government pension. As usual they gain everyone else losses.

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  • Lets see! Labour are supporting robbing children, robbing the elderly, robbing the sick and disabled, and now they want to rob coffins!! What’ll they do if the dead don’t pay? Up they come?

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  • Just decided on my obituary thanks to this news: Born Free, Taxed to Death.

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  • Doesn’t it bring a whole new meaning to the old saying; “you can’t take it with you when you’re dead”? We’ll probably hear her spouting that next.

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  • The lunatics are running the asylum…

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  • Even insulting the Irish after they are dead

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  • So it is possible to get blood out of a (grave) stone …

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  • Its official, there are two definite things in life – Death and bondholder taxes

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  • Can we eat cake or has that been taxed too?

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    • Cake? Cake? I remember cake! And do you remember treats and special occasions? This effing government doesn’t. They won’t be happy until they are our lords and masters, throwing an odd scrap of stale bread every once in a while. But they can still hold their heads high with our European overlords. They are seriously treating us worse than dogs. Grrrrrr…… Come on the Revolution.

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    • Declan 02/12/12 #

      The Resolution is a Revolution.

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    • Cake is taxed along with biscuits and sweets ice cream and crisps and all things that are considered not essential foods But main foods are not taxed

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  • MrKnow 02/12/12 #

    I bet it won’t be long until the government bring in a law that allows the government to take the property of the person in question if the property tax appears is over a certain amount when the person in question dies.. and before you think its stupid of me to think this, think of what they changed just to bring in the property tax like making it the “law of land”.

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  • Abolish the property tax.Period.

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  • Is this property tax to help with the debt we have? Then we will have to keep a close watch on the elderly in case they start mysteriously disappearing!!

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    • The best thing is to vote for the left who will block the introduction of any property tax on the middle class and elderly.

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    • Unfortunately It’s most likely that their will be a right wing response to the recession , foreigners of all ethnicity will be blamed for taking jobs, a shortage of police will result in people taking the law into their own hands, it’s what happens when you have a committee of sheep running the country. Bertie might have been a rogue but he would have had Merkel sorted.

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  • joan should do a big phil hogan and crawl back under her rock!

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  • Emmet 02/12/12 #

    Just wait for the grave robbing jobs announcement, they’re not going to rob themselves so plenty work there for ye lads…..
    Seriously this is A NEW LOW… Absolutely ridiculous how dare they… My grandmother who is deceased 11 yrs received a notice telling her she needed to pay… Beyond ridiculous

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  • pagan 02/12/12 #

    So the government has resorted to grave robbing. What’s next, will they add the house hold tax to the cost of the removal.

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  • When my dad passes away -which I hope is years from now -I’m going to sit him in his chair watching match of the day and tell no one !!!! And he’d be delighted not to give those fukcers a penny!!

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  • There should be no property tax. It is a tax on the roof over someone’s head. People will soon be living in caravans or mobile homes.

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  • Corrupt as defined in the Oxford dictionary means “dishonest”
    The Labour Party are the most corrupt ever in government. FF second and FG third. The rest are insignificient.
    All the money paid to advisors and this is what she suggests. Sack all advisors and save millions in pensions alone never mind wages. Turn off the lights on the way out Joan. Just lost a lot of support.

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  • Allowing deferment until after death/sale of property really won’t work, because it creates perverse incentives. When people reach a certain age, and their children have moved out, they often want to move to a smaller house/apartment. This is good, because it frees up larger houses for younger couples planning to have a family. But why would elderly do that if they knew that the minute you sold up, you’d be hit with a massive tax bill? Such a tax is completely market distorting, and creates an incentive to build more houses where they shouldn’t be needed.

    Also if an elderly person knew that their estate would be raided by the tax man before they were cold in the ground, they might content themselves by spending their final years/months/days stripping it to the walls. Valuable antiques, pieces of jewelry, or just plain old furniture might find their way into the hands of friends/relatives.

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  • Niamh 02/12/12 #

    which will probably be a son, daughter, or relative of some sort, who will have to hand over a lump sum of their inheritance to government, the whole story turns my stomach.

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    • mike 02/12/12 #

      It’s unsavory But I would prefere to inherrit less if it means my parents won’t have to pay property tax in their retirement.

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    • Why should they have to pay a “property tax” mike we all know its going to pay banks debit. Where your parents high flying property developers in their day or did they just by a home for themselves for their retirement?

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  • This had to be the most bizarre thing I’ve heard yet from this crowd. What bloody planet are they on!!!!!!!

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  • OMG. they’re taxing dead people!!! How low is this fu@”@ng country going to go??

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  • A civilian government is needed in this country. After this vile suggestion by Burton what other option have we got but to call GE? I have said it on here before that they should not be allowed to run the full term. Also they should all lose their pensions. Its as simple as this, if she has that vile kind of attitude what have the rest of her mafia gang in store for us? Get them out now its worse this is coming to.

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  • jrbmc 02/12/12 #

    The time has come people to stand up and say No!!!!!! More!!!!!!!!

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  • you have to admit, its very decent of them, to allow people to pay after they are dead, you can tell how level headed and just our great leaders are from this wonderful and inspiring proclamation, long like the king!

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  • General Election please!!!!

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  • GUBU!

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  • Does that mean we only have to pay it till we get old. What a stupid thing for her to say it won’t only be old people that won’t or can’t pay it.

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  • Judging by the number of views and the angered comments this is not going to go down to well in tomorrow’s papers… Why would Minister Burton even bring this up? Was this meant to be a good news or something?

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  • Niamh 02/12/12 #

    yeah, but my problem is the fact that they should have to pay a property tax in the first place, no one should have to.

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  • I will be deducting the property tax from the mortgage and if I get turfed out I will squat in it, you are only powerless if you let your self be.

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  • Oh isn’t that nice!

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  • I think this is a G-R-E-A-T idea!!!

    Because of the Equal Status act, if it is implemented, we can ALL elect to pay this tax when we die. It should not be restricted to the old. If we are restricted, we can all make a complaint to the Equality Tribunal. That would be a more effective protest than not paying and being brought to court.

    Take the Govt. to the Equality Tribunal!!!

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  • What’s next for them. Trawling through the morgues and graveyards looking for gold teeth and wedding rings?

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  • Many people have only their house which to leave. No cash. So what about a child still living at home or one who was renting and needs the former family home in which to live? They will be in debt for all these taxes, the Fair Deal, the Household Tax and maybe a few more as yet unthought of. What about young children who are orphaned, perhaps, after a traffic accident. It happens all too often. Why should these have to pay? It is sickening.

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  • Niamh 02/12/12 #

    The Irish government compare our tax system to other countries tax systems, and they think, ah well, Irish people had it good for a few years, time to make cuts. Ok. Fine. But what about the governments salaries, perks, allowances etc, that are just ridiculous. They are untouchable, it is so bloody maddening. Budget on Wednesday, the majority of the country dreading it, xmas around the corner, but all in government will sleep well, because they are heartless.

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  • You all voted for them and if you didn’t you voted for their ilk. They are all the same. Every single last one of them. Politics is corrupt to the core and it attracts corrupt people. Fine Fail rise in the polls. It’s the same old sickening fking treadmill over and over and over.

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  • If this is not the beginning of the end of this shower then i give up. I mean those who still support this coalition. If they can look me in the face after this and say, i still support this government, with a straight face, then i give up.

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  • This had to be the most bizarre thing I’ve heard yet from this crowd. What bloody planet are they on!!!!!!!

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  • Do these clowns realise what they are saying,time to get rid of this government, roll on the people’s revolution

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  • Joan, put a tax on dying. In fact, make it a crime to die. Imprison the corpses for say 10 years and employ Croke Park Agreement protected public servants to guard over the bodies lest they up and flee. And pay these guardians of ghosts 100k pa while you’re at it. And don’t forget the allowances. This govt has reached a new low

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  • If it isn’t obvious to you now, it never will be. The political system does not work. It’s there to ensure certain benefactors stay incredibly wealthy while you and I flounder for pennies. As long as there is money as we now know it, there will never ever, ever be change.

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  • I have heard about Stealth tax
    what would you call this the banshee tax!!

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  • I’m a caring parent!

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  • As for lowest effective rate of tax. That also depends where you read it. I know for a fact I am paying more tax now than four years ago and I’m earning less. I know this by looking at my payslip.

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  • alan 02/12/12 #

    But make sure you pay up when your dead

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  • Astonishing. But this is how government works. First they find some thing that isn’t taxed as much as they like or isn’t taxed in a proper way. Then they start looking at ways to save particular groups from paying the new tax and before you know it there is a mish mash of convoluted rules and one needs a PhD to understand who’s liable for what and who’s entitled to what.

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  • Joan’s email address joan.burton@oireachtas.ie

    Emailed her with the comment

    Grave robber. Suggest others who disagree with her comment do like wise.

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    • Thank you Kerry. I have just sent this message and suggest others do similar.

      You have to be kidding taxing the dead.

      In order to buy a house you have to have a job. You pay tax on your income. You then purchase a home to live in. The developer pays development levy. You pay stamp duty. You pay more than the home is worth thereby paying more stamp duty and development levy than you should. The mortgage is paid to banks supported by tax payers and many owned by government. You pay a mortgage in the belief that at some time you will own the home and will have something to leave your kids to make their futures better.

      Social welfare recipients who never worked pay none of this and still have their home supplied.

      So you think it is ok to take the working mans home if he cannot afford to pay the household charge in their old age. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      Regards
      David

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    • “Social welfare recipients who never worked pay none of this and still have their home supplied”

      A hate based tax policy is not the answer. The budget has already been set and her office receives thousands of emails every month! Stop squabbling and get going! RAISE taxes on the WELL TO DO, and leave the rest of US ALONE! Rome is burning!

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    • Do not take my comments out of context. My point was that if they don’t pay because they cannot afford to then why should the same apply to elderly who have contributed all their lives.

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    • Social welfare is NOT the same. It is bread crumbs thrown to people too poor to have saved any money during their lives. Too poor because they slaved away in the employ on greedy capitalists that paid them nothing, employers who socialized their losses and privatized their gains. Someone who stocks shelves for years at Supermarkets of fries burgers at a take-away will never have enough to retire and eat on once they get too weary and old to work. And at least half the country belongs to that category: people either too stupid or too naive to have realized that a life of hard work does not necessarily mean a comfortable retirement, not if their minimum wage is abysmally low, not if they bought into the ridiculous and demented tales of trickle down economics put forth by neo-cons movie actor that has somehow become an idol of failed and antiquated ideologies. Let’s cut the tax breaks and tax the wealthy. Leave the poor and the powerless and the sick alone.

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  • Sure the Irish sheeple will do what they are told and pay this. Better off staying in bed next Wednesday as the whinging will be just too much. I wonder how many people on here have contacted their local TD over this? feck all I’d say. bring on Wednesday let the whinging/doing nothing about it begin.

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  • NO,NO.NO. OUT OUT OUT . Resist Resist Resist .
    Joan Burton has really reached a new low. How dispicible is this idea.

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  • Bring back the Brit,s

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  • Why dont we all just die & leave everything to the state!

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  • This had to be the most bizarre thing I’ve heard yet from this crowd. What bloody planet are they on!!!!!!!

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  • It depends where in the world you are to say when slavery ended. And by the way slavery still exists. Only this year it was in the news about travellers accused of slavery in the UK.

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  • What the heck happened her? Can’t believe she came out with this. now they want to get to you when you’re dead. Bastaards.

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  • If Burton is serious, the first thing she should be talking about is reducing Dail benefits and putting them in line with the pay and benefits of the people they were elected to represent.

    Do Members of Dail Eireann, talking about kicking dieing widows out of nursing homes really deserve executive pay and benefits, like the Office of the Attending Physician, which essentially gives them free prescription drugs and out patient care, not to mention fat golden handshakes, while our wounded people are recovering in mold infested houses.

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  • this takes the absolute of death and taxes to a new level..they make it sound like their doing us a favour FFS

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  • Lads, whatever you think about Labour, and by God I have alot of bad things to say about them, thank God they are in government with the animal blueshirts! They’d have the country torn apart were it not for Labour! Fine Gael are a privileged, silver spooned, unemphatic bunch of nasty nasty individuals!

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  • and you don’t have to pay anything if you’ve bummed a council house off the state. reward laziness and persecute people who get off there mortgages until they die.

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  • labour are off the bat,, joan needs to get that stick out of her arse and cop on, what about people behind with mortgage,,,ie me,,, guess the bank will have to pay it when they sell my house, as i cant see me trying to keep a roof over myself and my kids heads anymore, they are taxing us out of being home owners, wonders am i allowed if i buy a caravan to pull in to where the travellers have their sites or will i have to go into one of them community summer type ones,, or do i just live in my car outside the garda barracks,, at least thats safe place,,, i feel i am not the only one in trouble financially, going from a paying job to unemployment is such a step down, and there is no jobs going, i am getting tired of giving in cvs, hearing about a job going and then hear nothing back, cant they stop paying back these billions and help their own first,,, stop paying their high pay, bankers pay, guy who runs cie at a loss, but gets paid so much and bonuses,, why cant they stop paying out big salaries and pensions, rehiring people who got payouts and pensions and give the unemployed a chance to get back in the field, we have no youth left in this country, my son in usa, my daughter doing her leaving will she also have to go,,, childrens allowance should be cut for all new born kids, 50 euro per child,, at least people would be aware when they are having kids they cant rely on the government,, things should change yes , but start on the top, bring in new changes but leave some things alone,

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  • does she live on button moon?

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  • I am not taking anger out on anyone but this government. I think your responses amount to trolling and I won’t be responding any further so good night.

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  • ahh here leave it out, leave it bleedin out

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  • It’s like a Michael O’Leary idea.

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  • This is hilarious. Comment after comment condemning Joan Burton and the Labour Party.

    Second paragraph folks:

    Social Protection minister Joan Burton said the proposal was one of a number of options being proposed by the Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan, for how the tax could be paid.

    Proposed by Michael Noonan. Of Fine Gael,

    Read more than the headline before you make a comment for the love of Jesus.

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  • ” I know for a fact I am paying more tax now than four years ago and I’m earning less ”

    Do you have a Union to address that grievance? Instead, you take your anger out on the 90% by invoking class warfare.

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  • mike 02/12/12 #

    I think it’s a great idea. And just to clarify if it’s not paid until after the homeowner dies, it’s not the pensioner who is paying the tax it’s whoever inherits their house.

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  • 90 % of these comments presume payment after death is a bad thing . Why ? Your home is an asset . your life is lived once . Why not derive some benefit from crippling mortgage payments when you’re not in a position to care anymore ? If they extend this to younger people in negative equity I’d be one happy camper .

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    • If the elderly defer payment, when they die I imagine the government may look for the amount due based on the year of death tax rate, rather than on lower amounts initially charged when a new tax comes in. Lets hope they clarify it all.

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    • I’d suggest those retired with a home do what my mother did sell up and move abroad. Better weather and you can take your assists with you and not have to worry about some grave robbers in Ireland.

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  • listen people, get real! She’s giving people options on how to pay, that’s a good thing. How else would you guys do it?

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  • Sounds morbid when its said like that but that’s the normal way outstanding bills are settled by your estate when u die.. she’s the best politician we have, so I say back her up..

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    • If she was the best politician we had then the country would be even more screwed than it is. Nobody with any sort of common sense would have come out with what she did today. I mean how many millions are the government paying advisors yet none of them realised how badly this would go down with the general public. If only there was a way to clone Stephen Donnelly who is by a long way the best TD in the Dail and one who actually wants to help the electorate rather than the vested interests who the main parties are looking after.

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    • If she is our best we a really fu##ked

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  • Get real lads, its going to happen.
    We need to pay it so quit ur complaining

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  • By the way, slavery ended 147 years ago. To be sure Ireland has tax rates. But its actual (effective) rate? I’ve read that it is the lowest in 30 years.

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