Is this more rubbish from vested interests trying to create some business for themselves.

Aren’t there enough properties and mortgages out there, (in a lot of distress thanks to greedy vested interests).

Hey Daft, how about using some of your energy,expertise and resources helping out some of these hundreds of thousands of unfortunate people who were conned and who are at their wits end with despair?
Is it not time you gave a little back to the people you profited from all these years?

What do you think DAFT is? They advertise properties. Firstly, what expertise do they have that could help the starving millions, and, secondly, what incentive to they have to do so? Maybe Intel should set up a soup kitchen. Or, maybe closer to the point, maybe you should.

Daft as a website make money from the banner adverts on their site as well as charging some users, most of us pay nothing for using the site. They get their money from advertisers, for whom the visitors to daft are the audience. More visitors, more advertising revenue, simple. If more people own their own home there will be fewer repeat visitors to daft unless they’re renting out a room in their house. Renters move more often so visit the site more often, more site visits means more advertising revenue. I don’t see how daft have a vested interest in getting us all settled, they benefit from our moving home.

You seem to have misread my comment Z.

What I trying to say, is that seeing as that Daft.ie along with all the other property websites and newspapers with their big fat property supplements benefited so handsomely out of the Irish property boom along with all the other vested interests,
would they not spare a little of their time and resources to help some of the many hundreds of thousands of causalities that this boom has created?

What resources do they have hat would help? They advertise properties. Would advertising properties at a slightly reduced rate for, say, the unemployed, help? Other than that, what could they do?

Wages across all sectors have fallen. Tax take is rising sharply, especially looking at property, water charges. Food rising sharply.

They may have stopped falling for now but price rises will take a long time to rise. It is still a very hostile business environment.

Hello

@ Z
They could start by not producing a farcical analysis of the property market like the one above and go and talk to the 500,000 people in negative equity many of whom bought their property through their website, this would give them valuable customer feedback.
They could talk to some of the families hunted down by ruthless debt collectors and sheriffs for false corrupt debt.
They could run more articles on their sister website the journal.ie about corruption in the
estate agent
banking
valuer
planning
development
government
subprime lender
mortgage broker
and other housing related sectors during the boom.

They could have information on their website advising mortgage holders to stop paying false debts to our false criminal banks instead of starving their children.
Reilly, Cullen, Wallace,Yates, Filan, Grehan, Flemming, Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, Dunne and all the other Fat Cat ”Heroes” stopped paying and walked away unchecked from their multimillion Euro debts,
isn’t it time someone told the mortgage holder that it’s time to stop paying??

They also could refuse to list repossessions on their website.
They could refuse to take repossession business from ruthless corrupt banks.
They could refuse to advertise for the corrupt banking institutions that enslaved a generation.
etc
etc
etc

They can do a lot more for people than proclaiming a false bottom in the market and listing Repos for corrupt banks and their bedfellows.

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@ Harry – Caveat emptor. You’re confusing a business entity with a social or government entity. The purpose of DAFT is to make money for its owners. It does this by advertising properties and taking in revenue from advertising on their sight and ( possibly ) from certain people and organisations who want to have their properties advertised on the site. They have no special mandate to protect or inform the general public, nor should they. It’s not their purpose.

Do you really believe that, after drinking a can of Red Bull, a pair of wings will sprout from your shoulder blades? Of course not. You know the advert is there to push you to buy Red Bull, not to provide you with factual information. And it is effectively the same with the information released by DAFT. They are not claiming to be an objective research organisation, so it it is you, and not they, who are at fault if you presume that they are an objective research organisation. Let the buyer beware.

If every business had to present the products and/or services objectively and without positive spin, we’d be surrounded by signs saying “average take away”, or “clothes good for two washes” or “this won’t make you much more attractive”. The world doesn’t work that way and, if you expect it to, you’re in for a lot if disappointment.

If every company and individual who profited from the boom times were obliged to pay restitution for making optimistic claims about their products and/or services or the market they were traded in, then the small chance we have of growth and economic stability would be snuffed out.

Companies like DAFT are not obliged to say “sorry” to people, and they shouldn’t be obliged to. Stupidity and gullibility is not a valid defence on the buyer’s side.

As for the relationship between DAFT and the journal, while they may be sister companies, I would imagine that neither has any say whatsoever in content or editorial decisions made by the other. And that is how it should be. Positive discrimination is still discrimination, and I’m sure you don’t mean that the journal should throw it’s journalistic integrity in the bin just to tailor it’s news reporting to suit you own personal tastes.

You demand extremely high standards from people and organisations about which you have an axe to grind. Tell me, do you really apply the same high level of standards to yourself?

One thing that would have a massive positive result in this country would be if people such as yourself stopped pointing fingers and declaring outrage at others, and instead used that energy to personally do something to improve the state if the country.

@ Harry – one thing always confuses me with posts like yours above? Why are you grandstand and preaching to the choir here, indignantly informing the readership of the evil conspiracies in the world? Surely it would make far more sense to contact DAFT and THeJournal directly with your demands on how they should change their business methods. Have you done this? If not, then it seems pointless to be ranting about them here. If you want something done, do it yourself. Don’t just complain that no one is doing it.

What a load of pseudo intelligent waffle Z.

Like the failed law students that you get on this forum regularly, a little intelligence could be dangerous.

All the property advertising portals had their greasy noses in the trough with crooked estate agents, developers, bankers and politicians and their bedfellows.

Now they think by releasing a few half assed reports (accompanied by pictures of an auctioneer’s gavel) that they can con people into the market to get screwed again.

Yes buyer beware in regulated countries where regulation is enforced.
Not in this Banana republic my friend.

Many local people bought into this thing that you refer to as spin and many in our area are unnecessarily dead as a consequence.
What happened in Ireland in the past 12 years was criminal, not spin.
The truth is coming out.

Ahhh, abuse, the last method of attack by the hopeless. You seem to have a tendency towards melodrama. Of course there is a relevant regulatory body, if you have an actual complaint you should take it up with them before ranting here. To make it easy, here’s their address:

http://www.psr.ie/website/npsra/npsraweb.nsf/page/index-en

As for your other claims, I very much doubt your claim that DAFT.ie has indirectly committed murder as you’ve implied, but, If you do sincerely believe this is true and not just something that seemed good at the time you fingered it in, then I recommend you get to your nearest Garda station, make a full statement, and demand the police to charge them with these crimes. That would probably be more sensible then throwing empty accusations around here.

Let me know how it goes. I’ll have the champagne ready.

Melodrama Z??
Champagne??
Were you born yesterday my friend??

If you want to talk about champagne.
Lets roll the clock back a few years when Ernst and Young were awarding Ray Grehan the €300 million+ ”Property Developer” turned bankruptcy tourist receiving his young entrepreneur of the year award
or even picking up his ”honorable” Property Development Personality of the Year Award.
Just take a look at the guest lists at some of these ”troughfests”
A whose who of Bankers, Politicians, Estate Agents, Valuers, Senior Civil Servants,Property Advertising Companies etc etc etc.
These snout nosed inbreeds have always been in bed together and always will be.

http://www.glenkerrin.ie/AboutUs/index.aspx

And Z please do not try to poke fun at the level of debt related suicides in this country as we have had many of them here locally.
Buyer beware or Caveat emptor (as you say) does not count if the product was intentionally poisoned.
Just ask one of your friends in the appropriate regulatory authority, if you can find them.

Much hassle getting a mortgage?

*sarcasm*

I recon we are about 15% and 2 or 3 years off the bottom, dead cat bounce or not

I got 3 approvals no problem

I got a second mortgage recently. No problem also.

I like pot noodles

Koka noodles yer only man.

i like poodles

You stabilised your a*se? Congratulations. Maybe a comma would have helped.

33 just bought mine . mortgage is 650 euro a month house next door rent is 1100.

I got approved 3 times no hassle.