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Poll: Should other media be funded through the new ‘broadcasting charge’?

The government wants to replace the TV licence, potentially funding broadcasters other than RTÉ. Should it go further?

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THE GOVERNMENT last month confirmed its intention to replace the TV licence with a new household ‘broadcasting charge’ – which it says would more accurately reflect how people consume media now.

Currently the majority of TV licence funding goes to RTÉ, with a small amount going to TG4 – but the government says this does not reflect how people now consume media, with many watching TV programmes directly online instead.

This week the chairman of the newspaper group which publishes the Irish Examiner and Sunday Business Post said newspapers should also benefit from the charge – as newspapers also have a public service function in carrying news and scrutinising society.

Independent radio broadcasters have welcomed the idea of a new charge, arguing that they also fulfil a public service by broadcasting local news which would not otherwise be open to such scrutiny.

Today we’re asking what you think – if newspapers perform a public service, and if online news outlets (like this one) are to be regulated as Ruairí Quinn wishes, then should the new charge be distributed among non-broadcasters?


Poll Results:





Read: Ruairí Quinn: Online news outlets could be regulated

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Comments (67 Comments)

  • As the owner of a newsagents I can tell you that news papers don’t give a crap about their readers just a tv broadcasters don’t give a crap about their viewers, all the money comes from advertising. They deserve nothing.

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    • As a person who worked for a newspaper that is true

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    • This point makes no sense. There is a very direct association between viewer/reader figures and the advertising revenue potential – so if the media broadcaster/newspaper gains a large loyal audience due to content that it produces, the revenue from advertising increases.

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    • @ Alan,
      I can make sense of the other contributions but not yours.. You seem to be confirming that advertising revenue is awarded to tv stations based upon their viewership, and indeed certain program’s may be sponsored by a company, this is – as the other two posters suggested – how the station makes money..

      But the point that both of them were making is just that. If our state media is making so much money from advertising, then why do they deserve a license fee too? TV3 and TG4 have not been paid much from the license, and RTE generate revenue from just as much advertising as those who aren’t getting the license fee – unlike our nearest publicly owned tv station, the BBC, who do not have commercial advertising because they are funded by licensing..

      If I’ve misunderstood you I apologise, I’m merry trying to clarify what you have written :)

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  • Shneak 12/02/12 #

    None of them should be funded by the state. There is no reason why it can’t be self funding. It’s just another way to f*** us over!

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    • Resounding No from me – state funded media makes for biased reporting. As it stands some of our “respected newspaper” make it fairly obvious where thier political loyalties lie, can you imagine what it would be like if they were given so called “state” funding. Its high time that the politicians in this country realise that we the people ARE the “state”

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    • In the USA, you have 55 channels available, with only one receiving public funding. Which are worth watching? The one that receives public funding!! The rest just broadcast the world’s finest crap filled with commercial ads and product placement. It’s the market driving machine. It’s also why the US Government is so corrupt. Campaigns are driven by private funded television ads costing billions. The candidates must raise that kind of money to run. What do you get? Corporate sponsorship. Whoo hoo. The finest government money can buy. And one of the most violent societies on the face of the earth.

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  • There’s no way I want a cent of my money I ever go towards some of the rags of the Irish press. There would be no way to do it fairly/evenly and keep everyone happy.

    The local radio news broadcasters, I can see more of a point, but as this takes up a small proportion of their hours, and a lot of their ‘news’ is read from Reuters or similar, they should get a sliver rather than a slice of the pie, if anything.

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  • tuba hg 12/02/12 #

    There should be NO state funding for any form for media if they can’t fund themselves by sales and advertising, cease trading like any other business if they can’t survive.
    RTE should never have had any state funding unlike then BBC they they actually have commercial brakes and have sponsored programmes
    I believe it is the right time for government to give the people a break and get rid of the TV licence and stop propping up RTE,TG4 and TnaG.

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    • Um I think you’ll find that in fact you are totally incorrect, BBC is funded as par with RTE. Both broadcasters receive money from the license fee in Ireland and UK and they also have commercial breaks & sponsorship. Also in the UK Channel 4 and many other TV channels (More 4, etc) are funded partially by the tax payer. In my opinion only non for profit broadcasters should receive money from the license fee, public funding of private businesses would be an idiotic idea, Ireland is a small country and public indigenous broadcasting is necessary more than ever here.

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    • “commercial brakes”: is that a Freudian slip?

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    • Diana.. I would urge you to have a look at BBC.. They have commercial breaks between programmes alright – but they do not have programmes interupted by 5 mins of “buy this useless piece of junk!” every 12 minutes, nor are their shows sponsored by a product, the ONLY ads on BBC are for shows on the BBC network or charitable events that they are involved in – you won’t see an ad for a product on BBC, nor will you see Eastenders being sponsored by Teabags..

      That’s the difference.. They are entirely funded by license fee. Whereas RTE gets pretty much all of the license fee and still the midweek movie is sponsored by a chocolate bar and there’s ads for 18-20 mins per hour..

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  • Let every enterprise rise or fall by its own efforts.
    If we ALL start businesses in the area of media, that shouldn’t automatically entitle us for ever, to state money just because we have done so!

    There are many other non-media businesses in the country. They don’t and won’t get same state public consistent funding!
    …”O’ but its the media! Thats different…” Some media owners will try crying!

    Absolute rubbish!
    Your a business, same as the rest.
    Stop shoving your hand out and robbing public money! Make your own business pay – or get out of the business!

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  • R.T.E should be sold off immediately. It’s a bloody den of more nepotism. The contracts and salaries are insane. Is it any wonder the the tv licence is constantly going up to cover its costs. In recent months has anyone noticed all the old faces have been hired back after they had retired with fine pensions and lump sums years ago.Must have got cleaned out in the crash. Give someone else a chance or sell the fu..king place. This country and it’s side dealings and under the counter crap!!!!! Will we ever learn how to change? PS. That RTE news is a propaganda machine for the government. It gives the appearance of being fair and balanced, but all the while it’s aim is to scare the living shit out of people. The greatest tool the government has is a fearful mind within its people.

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  • I bought my own TV, I bought my laptop, i pay my own Internet and UPC bill. Can someone explain what the hell I have to pay anyone else for?

    RTE have let the public down in recent years. They’ve given almost no recognition to causes like occupy ds, Shell to Sea and fracking. They produce awful 3rd rate, UK / US rip off programming and unlike the BBC, haven’t had the decency to scrap advertising. They deserve nothing from the Irish public. Why are we linking the overinflated pickets of their stars and getting a hack job of a national network in return.

    Scrap the media charge altogether. We don’t get a proper informing, unbiased, hungry service as we’re meant to so deal is off!

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  • D Burns 12/02/12 #

    Fuck that, they can’t impose a fee like this. I use the internet to watch movies etc, but I pay for my broadband and the Government take VAT on that, so how can they justify a ‘Universal Broadcasting Charge’? They are complete and utter gangsters, our Government!

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  • Yeah I think its super important to give more of our money to Denis O Brien, and Tony O Reilly. That will really help the whole practice of “truth to power” in the corporate media whilst play such a significant role in our democracy.

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  • I’ll pay it the day after I pay the household charge.

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  • We shouldn’t have to pay for a license, RTE make a income from advertising, why should we have to fund them as well. 90 to 95 percent of programs they show or make are absolutely crap. With this new intended charge it’s just another way for the government to screw us to the wall.

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  • broadcasting charge me hole!! best of luck trying to get people to sign up to it ahahahahahahahaha

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  • There should be no charge. If rte wants to stay in business they should do so out of advertising revenue, of course they will say the can’t bring in enough money that way. There are a couple of reasons why they can’t make enough from advertising 1. their programs are crap and 2. they pay the likes of Pat Kenny way to much.

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  • Give it all to TG4, best quality programming and film selection I’ve ever seen on this Island.

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  • How’s about businesses that can’t keep above water learn to live in the real world rather than running to government and the taxpayer to subsidise them?

    Is there nothing special interest groups won’t call on government to pay for…?

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  • Could someone help me out here. I vaguely remember reading some years ago about someone who was able to prove in court that they couldn’t get any of the Irish stations on their TV and therefore didn’t have to pay a TV licence.
    I know someone who recently bought a Freesat satellite box and this isn’t capable of getting any Irish stations so you can guess where I’m going with this. Just a thought.

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    • There’s a longstanding urban legend that if you’re visited by a TV licence inspector, you can hide the lead running between your TV and the aerial socket in the wall or your UPC/Sky box.

      That way, you can argue that you don’t possess the hardware you need to access TV signals and therefore aren’t liable for a TV licence.

      (Mind you, given that the TV licence is meant to pay for RTÉ radio aswell, you’d need to hide every radio in the house… but it could be done!)

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    • No I’m not talking about urban legends Gavin and the “but we never watch RTE, honest”, what I was referring to was a genuine court case where someone was able to prove they were incapable of recieving an Irish TV signal and so excempt from paying a TV licence.

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    • Gavan,

      I had not heard that legend, but one which is theoretically true is that you can refuse entry of anybody to your home without a warrant, including a tv licence inspector under Art 40.5 of the Irish constitution. There are a couple of exceptions in law and reasonable suspicion of criminal activity is one; what the Americans call “probable cause.” However such exceptions would generally only be granted to a member of the Gardai, and so a tv licence man would have to go get a Garda or else go the whole hog and get a warrant. I honestly do not know if this has ever been tried, or would even work, but in theory it should.

      Any legal brains want to confirm this?

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  • The print media receive enough money from advertising, and the public buying the paper, and you have to pay to view the paper online as well, why should the people of Ireland give them anymore money?
    The ordinary Irish person has been sold up the river to many times in the last 10 years. So just incase I didn’t get my message across, they should NOT get any of this money that we are going to be charged.

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  • tuba hg 12/02/12 #

    To answer Dianna
    you are correct to say that RTE have a similar level of funding to the BBC but the BBC do NOT have commercial breaks and are not allowed have any sponsorship
    Ch 4 and ITV are totally private and obviously do have sponsorship but they get no money from the TV Licence like TV3 here
    You should check you facts before you comment

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  • Todo 12/02/12 #

    It seems to me that most of the contributors to these online forums would be entitled to pay a reduced charge because they live in a one channel state of mind and can only see the world in black and white. :)

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  • It will mean that everyone with a computer or any device capable of receiving media will have to pay a licence just like we do with a tv. Clever little fuc***s.

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  • If it gets RTE of the teet?
    Yes

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  • What percentage of the population don’t have broadband, despite more than a decade of promises? This proposal is reminiscent of the tax on phone texts a few years back.

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  • I voted yes although I disagree that newspapers should get money from a broadcasting charge. It’s a dead media. The majority of people get their news from online sources like Twitter and thejournal.ie

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  • Funded by the state? The state can’t even afford to fund the things it should be funding like hospitals and special needs education. All broadcast, print and new media should be self funded, and if it can’t be, then so be it.

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    • If our government and other governments had the necessary spinal material to throw off our fraudulent monetary system and to issue a currency based on value and without interest, then we could afford to do all the things you mention. It seems the last Irish politician to understand and acknowledge the fraud that is credit money was Oliver J. Flanagan. Until we rid ourselves of this parasitical monetary system, we will always have to pay more and more for increasingly less in return.

      Oh, and on the poll issue, my answer is a qualified no. Qualified by my wish to see RTE cronies denied any form of state funding and being made to stand on their own two feet. Lets see how far their ‘talent’ will take them then.

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  • Daniel R 12/02/12 #

    Seen as though RTE at best withhold news/facts (sopa and occupy), and at worst broadcast propaganda for their failure to report these stories, I voted yes. If RTE were independent of governments then I would’ve voted no

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  • Double questioning to one answer poll?!
    Do you think newspapers provide a public service-no. Do you think online outlets such as this one should be regulated-yes but not by Quinn. I voted I don’t know!!

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  • Actually one of Ireland’s greatest ever journalists, Alexander Cockburn (who you seldom, if ever, find in the Irish media) wrote this three years ago.

    “Who Needs Yesterday’s Papers?

    I read the anguished valedictories to our sinking newspaper industry, the calls for some sort of government bailout or subsidy, with mounting incredulity. It’s like hearing the witches in Macbeth evoked as if they were Aphrodite and her rivals vying for the judgment of Paris. Sonorous phrases about “public service” mingle with fearful yelps about the “dramatically diminished version of democracy” that looms over America if the old corporate print press goes the way of the steam engine………..

    any exacting assessment of the actual performance of newspapers rated against the twaddle about the role of the Fourth Estate spouted by publishers and editors at their annual conventions would issue a negative verdict in every era.
    Of course there have been moments when a newspaper or a reporter could make fair claims to have done a decent job, inevitably eradicated by a panicky proprietor, a change in ownership, advertiser pressure, eviction of some protective editor or summary firing of the enterprising reporter.
    By and large, down the decades, the mainstream newspapers have—often rabidly—obstructed and sabotaged efforts to improve our social and political condition”.

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  • Ratzo 12/02/12 #

    I want to pay €1000 p.a. for my television licence. It is worth at least twice that. We should all consider exceeding the amount we currently donate to our national broadcaster. RTE is the lifeblood, the very soul of our small but vibrant little religious community.

    I especially enjoy the Angelus. There is nothing better than the the ringing of a few oul bells whilst I sit back and silently contemplate the adorable looking head on my pint. Of course, I like to remember I am catholic, I like to remember all the great things my church has done for Ireland. Yes I like to be reminded twice a day about that.

    I would like to thank my national broadcaster for doing this.

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  • People should pay for what they see or read
    But the government owes It to the-people to support Irish culture, so if a media promotes Irish culture then they should have access to funding for that alone.

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  • Ratzo 12/02/12 #

    So Join me,we can hold hands whilst our visa debit cards ring out collectively to the sound of T. V licence heaven. Together we can lobby for more bells, more religious programming, for more visuals of more venerable holy rollers deep in thought, thinking, contemplating upon how the big fella might have got it all done in 6 days and somehow managed to smoke spliffs and head out for a curry on the seventh.

    This is our inheritance, our history.

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    • Or we can watch all the violence and crap comedians and presenters who prefer to hear themselves talking rather than those they invited on to have a debate and when they don’t like what they are saying the keep talking over them.

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  • So the same news papers that for years championed the free market for years and called for increased cuts to social welfare are now seeking massive state-intervention to and are requesting state handouts?
    Richard Dawkins wept.

    Sorry such viewspapers convinced me years ago that the taxpayer shouldn’t be funding the inefficient and the lazy and that the free market knows best.

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  • Ratzo 12/02/12 #

    Pat Kenny should have more money, in fact we should be down on our knees begging him to accept more. We look to Pat, Miriam, Joe and Ryan to light our way. Our intellect is inexorably linked to these personalities. We must pay, we simply must. Together we must bear the cost, the future of our collective intellect depends on those massive salaries.

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  • RTE destroyed Sean Gallaghers chances of becoming president. Then they accused two priests of child sexual abuse, destroying their names. Give them nothing.

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  • How is this going to be collected?

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  • Raoire Quinn Wanting control of online media means he would like to control the content like RTE – how come there in never a prime time investigates into the corruption in Dublin City Council or into Raoire Quinn and the rest of the TD’s and Councilors ? The sponsored stations are complicit in the corruption in the government and government agencies by ignoring them and letting it happen.

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    • Who cares what Ruairi Quinn wants? His ilk always want to increase and consolidate control. I say that unless it pertains to the health and welfare of individuals, then we need less regulation and not more.

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    • I would be very very concerned if Ruairi Quinn were to have control of any form of media, in fact I’d be worried if he were given control of anything that affects people’s lives.

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  • Ratzo 13/02/12 #

    No Hanly. More religious programming is what we need. The continued incorporation of religion into the very fabric of our identity will serve us well. Sure who wouldn’t have had the Cloyne report without it. We Irish need our daily serve of double standards with a generous dollop of make believe. Fiddle dee diddle doo, fiddle dee diddle dee diddle doo.

    Opps, sorry about that, touch of the oul tourette’s. Comes upon me when I’m feeling especially patriotic.

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  • i dont know about this, i think the money should be diverted to RTE, but the distribution will become a political weapon i think. Anyone whio wants the funding will be in favour of Fine Gael, just like the sun in Britain was in order to protect the editors interests politically

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  • Well again money but in Germany we ALWAYS had that, GEZ, licence for ALL media…. no yes or no as it is so frustrating to pay AGAIN more money….

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  • If we need to fund a national broadcast service, I don’t see how it can’t be done directly out of taxation. The number of people in the country who never use TV, radio or a computer must be near zero. So if everyone uses it, and it needs to be paid for, everyone should pay for it. It would save some money and bureaucratic hassle. Or is there something I’m missing?

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    • I am paying for broad band in my home and I do pay my T.V lincence so why must we pay for everything twice

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    • But you must pay for your tv (either through Sky / UPC or whoever), you pay or your Internet to whoever provides your service, and you pay 23% vat on it.. And you pay a much higher price than pretty much anywhere else in the world too..
      You already ARE paying for it. And advertising companies are paying them millions to shove ads in your face too..

      So why exactly do we need to throw more money at them?

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    • I probably need to spell things out more clearly, but I thought I made it clear. IF we need to fund a national broadcast service, it seems logical to fund it out of taxation, not a separate licence fee, which involves more bureaucracy and hassle for everyone. The jury is out on whether we need a national broadcast service. If we do have one, it should be like the BBC with no ads. And one last thing, at least TV in the UK and Ireland is sometimes worth watching, unlike the drivel you get in North America and most of Europe (with the exception of the educational channels like National Geographic etc.)

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  • Who still has a TV?? Everything is online now.

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