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Noonan arrives in Brussels for key talks on aid for banks

Michael Noonan will chair tomorrow’s meeting of EU finance ministers; today’s Eurogroup meeting will elect a new head.

FINANCE MINISTER Michael Noonan has arrived in Brussels for two days of meetings which are likely to have a major influence in the prospect of whether Ireland can recoup some of the cost of its banking investments from the Eurozone’s bailout fund.

The finance ministers of the 17 eurozone member states are discussing the criteria that should apply for cases where the eurozone’s bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism, will take part in bailouts for banks and share the burden with national governments.

Arriving at the meeting, Noonan told reporters that the European Commission had formed working parties to develop proposals on how the ESM could be used.

“What the Commission have in mind, in putting this discussion on the agenda, is that they would like political direction to be given to those people in the working parties,” he said.

“They want to get the flavour of the different views among the member states of the eurozone [...] and there are a variety of views,” he said.

Noonan commented that Ireland’s policy was to ensure that the agreements of last June – when the heads of all 27 European nations agreed “to split the banks and the sovereign” – was enforced.

We’ll be arguing what we understood to be the situation on the 29th of June: that banks that were still functioning – lending, trading banks – would be eligible even though insolvent banks on wind-downs mightn’t be.

Ireland has invested a total of €64.1 billion in its banking sector, though this includes €34.7 billion in the former Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide, whose modern incarnation IBRC would be considered ineligible to be recouped.

Much of the remaining €29.4 billion in investment, which is held in shares in the banks, has since fallen in value as the banks’ shares have slipped on stock markets – but Noonan said it was “much too early” to discuss how much of its costs Ireland may be able to recoup.

Aid ‘should apply retrospectively’ to surviving banks

“My political input would be that these policy instruments, when they’re put in place, should apply retrospectively to banks that are still trading like BOI, AIB and Permanent TSB,” he said.

On a longer-term basis, after the establishment of a eurozone-wide banking regulator next year, Noonan said it was his platform that individual countries would still retain a “residual” obligation to contribute towards bailouts of their domestic banks.

This obligation would fall over time until eventually reaching almost zero, given the responsibility the new regulator would have to avoid such circumstances arising, he said.

“Whatever we negotiate, we’re not going to get 100 per cent,” he said. “There will always be an element of the sovereign having to carry some part of the burden.”

He added that he was “not averse” to having the government sell off its preference shares and contingent capital in the banks at “par” value – meaning it would recoup its full investment in those categories, and not have to accept a loss.

The government has already sold €1 billion of its contingent capital in Bank of Ireland at this price, helping to recoup its €4.7 billion costs for bailout out that institution.

It is traditional to hold a meeting of the Eurogroup – the finance ministers from each of the 17 eurozone countries – the evening before the full ‘Ecofin’ meetings, which involve the finance ministers of all 27 EU member states.

With Ireland holding the presidency of the Council of the European Union, Noonan will take the chair at tomorrow’s Ecofin meeting – the first of six occasions in which he will chair the meetings. April’s meeting is due to take place in Dublin.

Junior finance minister Brian Hayes, who has also travelled to Brussels, will represent Ireland at tomorrow’s meeting while Noonan takes control of overall proceedings.

This evening’s meeting will elect a new president of the Eurogroup, as Luxembourg prime minister Jean-Claude Juncker ends his tenure. Dutch politician Jeroen Dijsselbloem – who has only been the finance minister of the Netherlands since November – is likely to take over.

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Comments (53 Comments)

  • It would be a good deal if we could write off the Anglo debt and the Nationwide debt. We would then enter into a deal to repay the rest of the bank debt – 35 billion approx over say 50- 100 years at 1% interest. There problem solved.

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  • doesn’t really matter to noonan that he is signing our kids and grandkids up for years of debt, he will have a lovely big fat pension to retire on, him and kenny are totally and utterly useless, i said it 6 months ago we would get nothing. the day he and merkel made different statements to the press told me all i needed to know about enda kenny,
    useless useless useless

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    • Frank
      I believe you will two opportunities this year to look foolish. First will be the approval for restructuring the Anglo Irish Bank debt and the second will be the purchase of Equity in the three major commercial Banks held by the Irish State in the same time period.
      The real question is the degree to which you will apologise for getting it wrong. My guess is you’re not that big!

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    • Bejases Frank. You attract more false twitter account holders.
      It’s gas when they have to hide behind made up and false identities and God love them they think they count.

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    • Michael/Paddy/Mark etc etc
      when you change your name you should also change your writing style
      Restructure and have my grankids pay off the debts of gamblers is not something i will apologise for
      enda kenny is about as useless at politics as you are at commenting on politics

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    • i just love the way he thumbs up his own comment
      hahaha the muppet!

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    • Frank
      I don’t think you have answered my question and simply offering insults all round doesn’t quite cut the mustard. Clearly my assertion about you are correct.

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    • mark
      they failed to get a deal
      a high interest overdraft cut down to a mortgage sized loan – complete and utter tosh

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    • Mark come back in March/ june and see what this shower have done for it’s people, until then stop talking b*****k,s, and if i have to apologize then i will to you,this shower has screwed it citizens to the last. enough is enough

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    • John
      You have a deal but leave out the testicles. I didn’t insult you!

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    • @john- I do hope your amnesia clears up. “This shower” are trying to clean up Fianna Fails mess. Now you’re going to say that I sound like a broken record. Unfortunately it’s one you’re going to have to listen to for a generation because that’s the extent to which they damaged our country. Your ire would be better directed at those responsible.

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    • @frank- assigning a personal motive to Noonan is pretty reprehensible. You don’t have to like the man. You don’t have to approve of his policies. But I would like you provide you iota of proof that he is motivated by anything other than a desire to serve his country and fix this mess before spouting baseless none sense about pensions.

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    • vincent
      i stand 100% behind what i said
      and as i have stated before countless times
      if john noonan has done his utmost to secure a bank writedown then he has a duty to this country to release the triochet letters, THEN and only THEN i will apologise
      you have prattled on for months here saying that we would get a bank deal and you were completely wrong

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    • nonsense about pensions
      do you see what he will take home once his term is up, dont insult the people of this country
      its absolutely disgusting what these people earn and I as a taxpayer have every right to accuse the minister of being lazy in the execution of his duty.

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    • And what about Michael Noonan?

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    • what about him

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    • funny vincent but if that is the extent of your arguement its not worth debating.
      your comment on the first day of the new year was a doozie

      Vincent Dolan
      01/01/13
      @Frank- failing to achieve a meaningful Bank deal would be a real failure so yes, I’d reconsider my vote.

      as i have said before,
      take the blue shirt off
      they have failed miserably

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    • and by the way
      john is actually the brains of the family, maybe if he had of done the negociating instead of the brother we would have gotten a deal

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    • @Frank- John can probably spell negotiating too. Unless you’ve seen something on the news that I haven’t seen, the game is still ongoing. In your lust to condemn the Government you’re being premature. As I’ve said 100 times, I’ll judge this Government on the basis of whether things have improved since they came to office. So we’ll see.

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    • correcting spelling errors yawn!
      your right we will see and we will be back to where we are now

      “Hurrah for revolution and more cannon-shot!
      A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot,
      Hurrah for revolution and cannon come again!
      The beggars have changed places but the lash goes on.”

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  • They will break the link between bank & sovereign debt they said, it’ll be grand they said..

    Outright hypocrites & Liars I say..

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    • I hear they are keen to write off a large chunk of Cyprus’ debt purely because Russia are the bond holders there and they don’t like that… Different remedies for different countries,
      European Union my arse.

      Would love to see an article going further into that..

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  • Worst chap ever..its not really a deal when you just rake what your given and then say you faught for it just like they were caught at it last time..+10yrs onto the recession

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  • He will achieve nada!

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  • Systematic oppression and grand larson ! Some countries would call this treason which would have dire consequences on the accountable individuals / government! Until criminal legislation is presented or passed for these criminals they will contiue to feck this country to protect the EU mandates! We the people of Ireland must stand up now before it’s too late!

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  • Should I hold my breath…..

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  • John 21/01/13 #

    Stop their pensions when they are thrown out of office for their incompetence. That should solve the problem with future ministers from working for themselves instead of the people. If there is no legislation in place for this pension issue why not start NOW?

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  • Blah blah blah. Same sh1t coming from Noonan. Nothin new.

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  • Noonan in charge of proceedings ? Is that a joke!!

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  • A jerk of a man, If there ever was one and the way he treated people as Health minister. We are really scraping, the bottom of the barrel with him and hogan etc.!

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    • Stephen
      You really hate the current Government and it seems that every post you make is pure bile and bitterness.
      In every way this actually damages any argument you make. However when I go looking for your reasoned arguments to support your accusations or claims I find you don’t have any!
      Interesting.

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    • What argument, That they are the most hated and reviled Government in history and everyone agrees. Except you and a blinkered few, must be lonely in that world of yours?

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    • @stephen-”most reviled Government”… is that why Fine Gael remain the most popular party in the country by a country mile? Consistently polling around the 30% mark? Stop embarrassing yourself, Stephen.

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  • The look on his face says it all….The concentration…’lunch,pencil,rubber….and a letter from the boss in case the ^&*$% hits the fan. Banks good,people bad…banks good,people bad……I love being a priest.’

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  • Why are the government hell bent on selling the banks back to te open markets would it not be smarter to keep them and put all profits back into the countrys finances (as soon as they are back profitable that is )

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  • censored 22/01/13 #

    Noonan’s negotiating tactics – first announce that Ireland will honour all its bank debts in full at a press conference, then …. what exactly?

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  • The first step towards any sort of recovery is generating employment and the govenment has come up with absolutly no ideas as to how the problem should be tackled.
    An unemoloyed person receives ?188 a week allowance, rent allowance, fuel allowance and any other benefit they can claim and probably pocketing something in the region of ?300 a week to sit at home and scratch their arse. In the meantime, the government is happy to provide the service.
    If they came up with a scheme where they offered companies ?200 a week for each person they employ for one year – meaning that the company is saving ?200 in a week in wages to employ a qualified person ( let’s call it cheap labour) , the company is able to expand, become more productive, more competitive with a product that challenges the market pricewise.
    The government is now saving aboutt ?100 a week in allowance. Because he is now employed, he is not entitled to benefits, he’s happy to work and earn a wage and at the end of the week, he pays tax on that wage, giving the tax man some of the money back. He is also spending more money in his free time, using a car, fuel, tax, insurance.
    The company is delighted to have the cheap service of personnnel at a reduced price.
    It really is a win / win situation – nobody is losing out and employment is generated. It will also cut out the scroungers – if FAS offered you a job you were qualified to do and turn it down without good cause, benefits are suspended.
    Just a layman’s point of view.

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  • Time for the Minister to release his inner Limerick.

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  • Noonan arrives in Brussels for key talks
    Yes but is he over in Brussels to hand the keys over or get them back

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  • The usual whinging and devotion to “I wish it weren’t so” economic policy on here, as expected. The reality is Ireland will be the first out of the bailout despite being one of the worst affected, our reputation has been restored and unlike the Greece’s of this world, we retain the potential to grow & develop over the decade ahead as a respected and trusted trading nation, restoring employment levels and preserving our high standard of living. We should be proud of our resilience in the face of adversity instead of continuously looking for the cloud attached to the silver lining.

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    • complete and utter crap
      you have been proved wrong time and time again vincent
      we have been made debt slaves by your idiot enda.
      we will not grow, our brightest and best are leaving or have left and the population is getting older.
      you have mouthed off on here for months about when we get a bank deal and its time to face the reality
      WE ARE NOT GETTING A DEAL ON DEBT
      TAKE OFF THE BLUE SHIRT

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    • and you can comment all you like about my spelling and correct use of names, its just deflection, something you have in common with your gombeen government.

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