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Noonan considering ‘outside expertise’ in quest to cut bankers’ wages

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FINANCE MINISTER Michael Noonan has revealed he is considering bringing in “outside expertise” to examine how he can cut the salaries of senior staff at the state-owned banks.

The news comes as progress stalls on a Department of Finance review of pay at the banks in which the State has a stake.

The review began last April when Noonan asked the state-owned banks to consider measures which would encourage staff to take lower salaries and benefits in the current economic environment.

The review was being carried out by the National Treasury Management Agency, on behalf of the department, and although work is ongoing it is understood that political input is now being sought on how the review should proceed.

Noonan told Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath said he did not consider it appropriate to publish “incomplete interim data” from the review, which aims to compare pay and conditions across the state-owned banks.

“I am currently examining how best to progress the review and am considering utilising outside expertise not currently available to my Department to promote the efficacy of the findings and outcomes of the exercise.

“As I have said previously, I fully recognise that there is a real public interest in the levels of remuneration at the covered institutions and have committed to placing the details underpinning the review into the public domain.”

Noonan’s review is also expected to include proposals on tackling severance arrangements, and was initiated around the time it emerged that the former AIB managing director Colm Doherty had retired with a package of over €3 million in November 2010.

He had only served ten months in that role, being paid €432,000 for his work – but was then given over €700,000 in lieu of his years’ notice after his contract was terminated on the insistence of then-minister Brian Lenihan.

On top of that, Doherty was paid €2 million in lieu of contributions to his pension.

Enda Kenny pledged, after Doherty’s payoff came to light, that the boards of the country’s state-owned banks would be overhauled – but knowledged that laying off senior directors would likely come at a major cost.

Bank of Ireland is the only domestic bank not in majority state control; the state owns all but a small portion of AIB, which now incorporates EBS, and has fully nationalised Irish Life & Permanent.

Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide, both of which were previously nationalised, have been merged into the Irish Banking Resolution Corporation which remains wholly owned by the state.

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  • Adam Magari 12/02/12 #
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    Almost 300000 working in the public service, yet the Minister for Cruelty and Emigration is looking for ‘outside experience’. More opportunities to burn lucrative consultancy fees at the taxpayers’ expense. Why don’t ministers just be done with it: post their wedding guest lists and let’s see who got what from the public purse.

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  • Robert McDonnell 12/02/12 #
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    It just gets better.

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  • Martin Stapleton 12/02/12 #
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    Just say no for God sake. Get a pair of balls and say enough is enough!

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    • D Burns 12/02/12 #
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      Too right! We own the banks, so tell the head honchos that “this is the salary you’re being offered. If you won’t work for it, we will find someone who will”. There are plenty of capable people in the country who would do a good job for a fraction of the salary! All in this together…hmmm

    • Ann Reddin 12/02/12 #
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      Okay either Noonan or a Banker has been reading the comments, cause I dont know who else would be giving red thumbs.

  • Frank2521 12/02/12 #
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    Just the answer – Have the citizens of Ireland pay more money to sort out the banks. We might as well as the banks are sponsoring the rugby teams and god knows that in a better way of spending our taxpayer money than providing for sick children.

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  • John Wooldridge 12/02/12 #
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    Noonan, lying bastard! Here comes his latest load of bullshit.

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    • Brian Walsh 12/02/12 #
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      When you’re right you’re right John. Its funny how for the ones who helped cause the mess we’re currently in life goes on as usual, that means very well if you’re a banker, but the ordinary Joe Soap mus pay for them.
      An article in todays Indo (sorry but I have to read other papers too) tells us that “people in the income category €17,543 to €20,000 have seen their effective rate of tax treble while it increased by 50 per cent for those in the €20,000 to €30,000 category between 2010 and 2011″. So we can clearly see that those on the lower pay scales pay more while those like the bankers sit back and take those payments which pay for their bonuses etc they fuel arguements about the Croke Park agreement, the Public Service etc and laugh at the “little people” who fall for it and argue about the wrong things while the real problems, like this, go unnoticed.

  • Jon S W Rainey 12/02/12 #
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    Why bother having a Minister for Finance if he cant make these decisions himself! ?? It will cost a small fortune to get “outside expertise”. Why doesnt he just scale back EVERYONE over €X amount, for example €125,000. If the bankers leave, its no loss, sure look at the mess they got us all into!! Noonan is clearly now thinking about his own retirement in 29 months after the euro and local elections. He’s not prepared to make any hard decisions :-(

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    • D Burns 12/02/12 #
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      Outside expertise = jobs for his pals

    • Eileen Gabbett 12/02/12 #
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      No ,Overseers for the absentee land lords .Only diference will be
      they will be German or French .They will report back to the real
      power holders in Euriope .

      I feel sick. Greece got Papandemos …….
      This is our fate too.

  • Dave Harris 12/02/12 #
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    Why can’t we have a minister who can do his job?

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  • Report this comment

    Outside expertise? Man up and do your job

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  • Report this comment

    Another person who has no skills to do the job, who also wants the money for nothing to purchase more bonds to look after his own financial interests.

    Maybe Ireland now needs outside help to get democracy going in the right direction.

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    • Report this comment

      what Ireland needs is for the people to rise and show these stupid mo-fo’s that they better play ball or else all hell will reign down on them!! if i tried to pull the same shit Noonan is i’d be run from my house and forced into hiding, this man has no morals!!

  • Morgan C.Jones 12/02/12 #
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    Try the phrase “as representative of my employers the Irish people I’m here to tell you we are cutting your pay and bonuses and no, there’s nothing that you can do about it”. There. Can I have my fat consultancy now Minister?

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    Ssssh people, this is as close we’ll get to an admittance that they don’t know what they are doing.
    I applaud Mr Noonan for standing up and saying that he’s not fit for the job.

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    • Eileen Gabbett 12/02/12 #
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      I agree , he is not fit for the job , But it is a foot in for the german and french overseers .
      They are not invading our streets ,the are taking over our economy.
      I hate what is happening.

  • whatever 12/02/12 #
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    ‘Ah ya, do you know what you remind me of?’ An incompetent asshole Mr Noonan. A disgrace…

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    He should consider bringing in outside expertise for the dail … Oh wait we’ve done that already.

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  • EMD 12/02/12 #
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    *sighs* what a fecking joke!

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  • made 12/02/12 #
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    Special advisors on over the cap salaries, ministers on ridiculous salaries and expenses and now he wants outside influence, if he can’t do the job he’s being paid for he should shag off and give it to someone who can and on a lot less money. No sooner are they elected but they’re hiring advisors and paying them obscene salaries.

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  • jimbo 12/02/12 #
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    Is he for real this will cost a fortune, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER HEARD OF A BLOODY CALCULATER ???

    QUOTE; to examine how he can cut the salaries of senior staff at the state-owned banks.

    EH GET SOME BALLS AND CUT THE WAGE while your at it cut your pensions

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  • John Delaney 12/02/12 #
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    Are any of the journal readers in favour of the state holding onto aib bank for good, surely a state owned bank would be more secure that a shareholders bank and keep the profits for the state?Germany has national insurance, no matter what you need, you get it, f**k vhi and the rest, shareholders profits, state gets very little by creative book keeping. Or as I talking s**t?????

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  • Pete Robinson 12/02/12 #
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    Oh for Fcuk sake……how much is this going to cost us Noonan ?

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  • Tony Skillington 12/02/12 #
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    Folks…coming on this site and giving out relieves some stress but won’t change a blessed thing. Get on the FG web site and start emailing…e mail Noonan at the Department of Finance and bombard them with e mails. Clearly we as a nation have neither the conviction nor the inclination to get out and protest and so this is probably the next best course of action. Make your feelings known directly to these people…

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  • Aoife Brosnan 12/02/12 #
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    I bet the senior bankers have contracts and legal documents wrapped in poison tipped barbed wire protecting their money that Noonan and co can’t figure out how to get past. If there are smart experienced people out there who can figure it out, I’d prefer they were brought in and the job done, rather than pussy footing around the bankers for another million years.

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  • Tony Skillington 12/02/12 #
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    E mail the Dept of Finance….bombard them with protests…http://finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/contact/contactupdate2011.htm&m=11. Try the FG web site as welll…let’s stop giving out and let’s get protesting..

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    • Report this comment

      Done but as all with all previous emails I’ll bet back an acknowledgment that it was received and will be *passed onto him
      * – ignored.

    • whatever 12/02/12 #
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      You’re dead right Tony… no doubt they have well paid e-mail vetting people though… wait until we finally decide that a revolution is the only answer…

  • Peter 66 12/02/12 #
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    Sweet Jesus its ok to cut us to the bone but when it comes to the people that had an unnatural input in to our long term financial problems he needs a hand ? he should sack the fu¥king lot of them & tax their lump sums & pensions by 95% if they won’t play ball. Be the boss noonan or are they too big for ?

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  • Eileen Gabbett 12/02/12 #
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    Why is the government sao afraid of these money men….

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  • Bernadette Dunne 12/02/12 #
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    As Minister for Finance just tell them their salaries are Slashed or you resign you are spineless if you think you can charge me an unfair “RENT” on my home for the rest of my life and tax incomes to bail out the banks well I think you should be slashing their salaries and do the right thing for the hard pressed workers of Ireland Spineless arrogant gutless useless minister ever you are robbing from the poor to pay oversized salary government and bankers Grow a spine you @@@@@@

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  • Sean O'Keeffe 12/02/12 #
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    Under Scotlands free-banking system (1716-1845), banks were encouraged to behave more prudently than today as bank shareholders were personally liable for depositors losses. In addition, competitor banks picked up the pieces when a bank failed not the taxpayer.
    http://economics.about.com/cs/moffattentries/a/scot_banking.htm

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    • Sean O'Keeffe 12/02/12 #
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      “The problem with fiat money is that it rewards the minority that can handle money, but fools the generation that has worked and saved money.”
      Adam Smith

    • Sean O'Keeffe 12/02/12 #
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      “By this means (fractional reserve banking) government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft.”
      John Maynard Keynes

  • terry 12/02/12 #
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    In a previous job my boss cut the salaries by 25 percent with one months notice. As staff we had a choice accept it or look for new jobs. I left and others stayed on m, why can’t the minister instruct the board to do the same. Most of the staff will stay on as they will have no other option. If this is not legal under employed law then change the law so in situations where the gov has intervened to save a company then it then has the legal right to reconstruct all employment and service contracts. Very simple solution if he was bothered to introduce it and had the balls not to feel the peer pressure at the next bankers ball he attends.

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  • Tom Mulligan 12/02/12 #
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    should start with yours minister. how do you have the balls to even suggest this. let me rephrase it for you. I can’t do this job that my mate gave me so better to bring in someone else to blame oh and let the tax payer pay for it . since they pay for everything else twice in some cases.

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  • The kop 12/02/12 #
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    any chance you could change picture of Michael Noonan…….. putting me off my dinner….and giving me quite a sick feeling in my stomach…..

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  • Eddie Walsh 12/02/12 #
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    Where and when does this crap end..
    A crowd of over subscribed, over paid spineless, incompetent spin doctors..
    The banks were broke..
    Technically out of business..
    They are lucky to have jobs at all,
    Where are the conditions “we” should have attached to bailing them out ?
    IE: “WE will save your bank “BUT”
    Here is your new salary should you wish to remain working here.
    ROCKET SIENCE ?
    I think not !!!!!
    What kind of Idiots,clowns,chancers,liars,gob shites over paid wasters have we running this country..
    They are worse than the last lot

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  • Eddie Walsh 12/02/12 #
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    Wait for it !!!
    Let’s see who gets appointed ??!!
    That will be interesting !

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  • James Ohare 12/02/12 #
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    Em…can’t Mr Noonan just say “NO” or has he trouble saying it. Employing someone else to say “NO” for him is just another cop out for when they can’t manage to say “NO” then he can blame them for not coming up with a solution and Noonan will say YES anyway. Enough assing about. We the tax payers own these banks. So let me tell them…bog off you just ain’t worth it.

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  • Paul O'Keeffe 12/02/12 #
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    Spineless and incapable. Hard to believe this is the person in charge of the coffers. We really are done for here with this lot.

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  • Darragh O Meara 12/02/12 #
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    The way I read this is : lads I have a buddy looking for a job and I promised him I’d look after him. Now to be fair he will try unravel the bankers pay but don’t be too upset if he doesn’t succeed. Oh and by the way the standard advisors pay won’t be enough to take him away from all his benefits he’s currently getting on the dole so I’m gonna have to up his wages and if course being the minister for finance I can do that and shur why not its not my money so why not??

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  • Ratzo 12/02/12 #
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    Why is everyone complaining? Mr Noonan simply wants an opinion. Let us reflect for a moment and relax in the knowledge that an Irish politician when looking for one of those must be seen to spend an inordinate amount of money whilst in pursuit of such.

    It seems only fair that we continue to support him in his quest for knowledge. His journey only requires yet another small investment and can lead only to our salvation.

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  • Andrew Telford 12/02/12 #
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    Wait…. We have a finance minister?

    Where’s Leo?

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  • Dario Fo 12/02/12 #
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    Great picture. He is dumber than he looks.

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  • Noel O Mahoney 12/02/12 #
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    relax guys, He’s only thinking about it, before he makes a decision ( that a 5yr old could make) he will have to set up a committee, a task force, an enquiry and possibly a commission. This will take approximately 3yrs and by that time the germans will have taken control. Ya, sehr gut HERR NOONAN.

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  • Brendan Crowe 12/02/12 #
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    As annoying as this is, I am starting to get more annoyed at the general apathy and acceptance of the Irish people…. If this was any other country in Europe the place would be on fucking fire. I lost all faith when rabbit yet again gave away a load of our natural resources and gave the excuse that we did’nt have the resources to fund gas exploration etc…. true… but you can tax them on what they do find you fucking moron.

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    • Report this comment

      Spot on brother.

    • Dermot Purcell 12/02/12 #
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      Agree Brendan but how else can these guys make the big bucks,if they tax these guys their slice of the cake turns to crumbs

    • Ratzo 13/02/12 #
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      Now why would an Irish politician need a natural resource like gas, coal, oil or oysters and such. An Irish politicians best “natural resource” is a constituent. I myself am one of those. Every time the government needs money, all they have to do is book me in for a fiscal colonoscopy.

      Here’s how it works. If they discover, whilst looking at my date, with small but very bright lights, that all I have left are two kidneys, they take one and sell it on the open market and redecorate, or hire a secretary or something.

      Simple.

  • Paul mc namara 12/02/12 #
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    With our country being run by ex teachers , having rings ran around them bankers , relying on top civil servants giving them advice ( the same ones who gave all the infucking valuable advice that got us into trouble in the first place ) …. Faulty towers would nt get a look in … I’d laugh if it wasn’t so worrying………..

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  • Con Ó Domhnaill 02/05/12 #
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    Noonan has revealed he is considering bringing in “outside expertise” to examine how he can cut the salaries of senior staff at the state-owned banks.
    Is this man for real? Just lift the phone tomorrow morning you GOBS***E and tell them what they are allowed to earn and cut the crap about “outside expertise”. If you can’t do that you can’t do your job so Kenny should fire you – along with your overpaid “Advisor’s”.

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