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Noonan confirms plans to extend bank guarantee

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FINANCE MINISTER Michael Noonan has confirmed his intention to extend the bank guarantee scheme until the end of 2012.

In a press statement this afternoon the minister said the Cabinet had agreed to extend the plan by a year, and would shortly issue a Statutory Instrument which would extend the order for that time.

The plan, originally introduced in controversial circumstances in 2008 and which took effect in 2009, would otherwise have expired by the end of December.

Approval for the move will now also be sought from the European Commission, which had previously given its permission for the scheme to continue until the end of June 2012.

The minister said in his statement, however, that he expected the request to be approved “in due course”.

“As is customary, the Department of Finance has consulted  with the European Central Bank on this measure, and has obtained an opinion which inter alia states that ‘taking into account financial stability considerations, a further extension of the ELG Scheme would be beneficial’,” the statement read.

The extension will mean that the existing guarantee, which covers deposits and some senior bonds at the participating institutions, will be extended.

Any bonds issued while the guarantee is in place will also be guaranteed – meaning that the guarantee will continue to take effect for years after the guarantee is withdrawn.

Unguaranteed

The minister separately announced that the participating banks had asked him to make provisions for deposits which are not guaranteed under the ELG scheme.

The banks will initially offer non-guaranteed deposit facilities to corporate and institutional investors, who will acknowledge in writing that their funds are not covered under the government’s extra guarantee.

“These conditions make it crystal clear that any decision to place an unguaranteed deposit with a participating institution is a voluntary one and without prejudice to any guarantee that applies to other deposits under the ELG Scheme,” the Department of Finance said.

The minister added that while the demand for unguaranteed deposits was likely not to be very large, he saw the request as “a very positive sign of a return of confidence in the banks and the sovereign and should be encouraged.”

Personal depositors who have savings of up to €100,000 are covered under a separate, State-run perpetual guarantee.

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  • Jonathan O Neill 16/11/11 #
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    What an absolute Gombeen!!

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  • I don’t get it. Why extend the guarantee?

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    • David Murphy 16/11/11 #
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      We already paid for it by ensuring a bank didn’t fail. We may as well benefit from the added security of it remaining in place to stop a possible chance of a run on our already borderline underfunded banks and kicking the whole thing off again.

    • Neil 16/11/11 #
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      You’re making far too much sense David. You don’t belong here, where the consensus seems to be that everything would be fantastic if the all the banks crashed tomorrow with everyones savings gone. As you say, they screwed up when they made the guarantee, but they might as well continue it now they have pumped them up the gills with capital from the taxpayer.

    • Sean O'Keeffe 16/11/11 #
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      A guarantee existed prior to the lunatic blanket guarantee. This would have protected most savers without providing a bonanza for bondholders.
      Given that an array of European banks will be going to the wall in the not too distant future with a knock on effect on Irish banks; The extention of this guartantee provides the potential of a whole new list of bondholders that will be getting a payout at taxpayer expense.
      http://mises.org/daily/5800/Why-Is-There-a-Euro-Crisis

    • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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      Glad to see you guys are staying faithful to TINA.

    • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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      Sorry, if anyone doesn’t know TINA, check here:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative

      Took it for granted that it was a very well known phrase, my bad.

  • Oskar Fritsche 16/11/11 #
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    Scumbag.

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  • ged_star 16/11/11 #
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    Simple because Fine Gael/Labour are following in the footsteps of Fianna FAIL
    Nothing will ever change in this country, rob the poor and look after the politicians RICH banking friends

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    • David Murphy 16/11/11 #
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      Gather like minded people together and start your own democratic movement/political party and change things.

    • Neil 16/11/11 #
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      Much easier to bitch about ‘the system’ on a message board than to accept that the people voted for parties that do not share your beliefs last Febuary.

    • 16/11/11 #
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      entitled to bitch, because said parties made pre-election promises they have so far failed to keep!

    • Neil 16/11/11 #
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      FG and Labour ran on sticking to the IMF bailout terms. Sinn Fein and the ULA might have ran on default and accessing the magic money tree to pay for everything, but the people did not go for that.

  • Kerry Blake 16/11/11 #
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    Because the ECB said he could.

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  • Adam Magari 16/11/11 #
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    Meanwhile while the banks and equity funds rub their hands before the pyre of taxpayers money that the government is determined to keep stoked to point of pauperising anything living above ground, the banks refuse to use the resources given to them to alleviate mortgage defaults or improve credit. Everything, absolutely everything, that can be done to mollify the banks has been done by two governments now. The Cowen-Lenihan bank guarantee has brought a rain of ruin on the country. The promises of the new government parties in the election manifestos about bondholders and Frankfurt and easing the burden were quickly broken. Funny the way nine of the Ministers have resigned over those matters.

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    I do NOT trust this man and his party in anyway, shape or form.
    They are Fianna Fail version 2.0 – and like the Green party attached the Fianna Fail, I suspect Labour will just be as damaged in name, reputation and stance on issues.

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  • HELLO SPRUIKER 16/11/11 #
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    Just a quick reminder Michael
    Don’t forget to include Anglo’s liabilities in the guarantee.

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  • Tony Skillington 16/11/11 #
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    These the same banks who told him, Innda and the others to as good as fuck off when they ASKED (not instructed) them to enforce the ECB interest rate cut? Spineless worthless group of individuals we ave in government. Boys in the banks mst be really looking forward to Christmas now…

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  • Gary Keegan 16/11/11 #
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    Dear Mr Noonan,

    Go fu*k yourself.

    Yours Truly,

    The Irish People.

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  • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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    This is madness.

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  • Tommy Coleman 16/11/11 #
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    doing exactly what FF did before……. all the labour heads on here can get down of their holier than thou perch now….

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  • Report this comment

    I presume he has extended this guarantee also to the ones that have outright REFUSED to pass on the drop in interest?
    Amazing! Looking after the banks yet again and forgetting about the actual people on the street.

    IF YOU EVER NEEDED YET ANOTHER INDICATION OF WHERE FG AND LABOURS LOYALTIES REALLY LIE – YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE NOW!

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  • Shanti Om 16/11/11 #
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    Can there be any doubt?
    Our “elected officials” are there for effect. Someone else is running the show.. That’s why the faces change but everything remains the same.. Whether its our senior civil servants, the EU or some shady dudes in smoke filled rooms – its not these clowns we have called government.. They are merely the messengers..
    Something in the running of this country (and not just this one) is rotten. But it runs much deeper than simple party politics.

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  • Frank2521 16/11/11 #
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    How will the politicians benefit if the guarantee is extended? They must get something because all politicians are in there for what they can get for themselves and their families. Not to many children of the local TD’s being forced to emigrate.
    Will these guys get bigger jobs in Europe for being goof boys?
    Raoire Quinn does nothing for nothing and I doubt if any of the others are different. Maybe they will get access to bank loans for their family and friends. Can people suggest what the politicians might get in return?

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  • Ciaran Donaghy 16/11/11 #
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    it dosnt matter we have to pay weather they are guaranteed or not

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  • Lou Brennan 16/11/11 #
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    Look guys. The Euro is a gonna. Maybe not today, Maybe not tomorrow, but soon That is the only guarantee out there. Take your money out of your piss poor bank and buy gold, property,copper or orange juice. The future is orange but don’t say I told ya. Don’t leave your hard earned in there until a pint of milk costs 20 Default sheckles.

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  • Paul Lanigan 16/11/11 #
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    Flying to Holland tomorrow to open a bank account there. Moving everything out of ‘Irish’ Euro

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    • Kirk Delaney 16/11/11 #
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      Does opening an account with someone like rabbo end up in an Irish based account with that bank or a Dutch account ?

    • Hot Toddy 16/11/11 #
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      A bit of both. The deposits would be covered by the Dutch guarantee scheme but that doesn’t make it risk free. If Ireland exists the euro, it can do so in several ways. One of these could be to enforce mandatory conversion of Irish savings into new punts, which would leave you with something far less valuable. Much safer opening an account overseas.

    • Kirk Delaney 17/11/11 #
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      Cheers Hot Toddy

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    Its not nice but surely the bank guarantee is a bitter pill that we all have to take?!? In any other industry, a business would have been allowed go to the wall but let’s say AIB or BoI had been allowed to collapse…Savers would have lost all their savings / pensions etc. businesses could not functuon then Brian Lenihan (RIP) would have been the finance minister that let our personal savings go down the pan and indigenous firms collapse. We all agree that during the boom times banks loaned out money hand over fist, regulation was pretty light and prudence wasn’t even at the party. What was done can’t be undone and the only way to maintain any kind of economic viability is to ensure our financial institutions don’t fail. We have three or four big fish in a small pond and the economy would not survive he failure of any of these. Agree? Disagree? Alternatives to the guarantee anyone?

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    • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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      Prudence wasn’t at the party, but neither was I. Have you been listening to TINA again, Éamonn?

      We could guarantee personal savings for Irish residents up to a limit of maybe €500k, guarantee bonds to maybe 15c in the Euro, leave anything else up for negotiation.

      Or we could drop the guarantee entirely.

      What happens if there’s another economic collapse owing to war, more accounting irregularities coming to light, the implosion of the Euro, etc? Are you happy for the taxpayer to be on the hook …. again?

      In practical terms, the damage is probably (hopefully) done, and it won’t get any worse. But, the Government could make a clear statement that lumping the State with the legacy of private misfeasance was a mistake, and any repetition of this is not acceptable.

    • Réada Quinn 16/11/11 #
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      Are we meant to know TINA Niall

    • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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      Woops, see below – thought it was a very well known phrase.

    • MojoRise 16/11/11 #
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      Only savers would have lost if if the banks had been let fail.

      Now everybody is a looser and no end in site.

      The banks could and may still fail.

      Except if they do now we have the bonus of a couple hundred billion of dept as well to deal with

      We should have done an Iceland on it and draw a line and sand.

      We are simply screwed :(

    • Niall Mulligan 16/11/11 #
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      Just found this while flicking through Thatcher’s speeches citing TINA via that wikipedia page below, found a (slightly selective) quote that I think sums up the place that we’ve gotten to:

      “If the parties between whom the choice is made become substantially similar the differences dwindle to insignificance and so there is no real choice. There could be no change of policy. Only a change of people responsible for those policies.”

      http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/101650

    • Réada Quinn 17/11/11 #
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      And that is exactly where we are now! JC. WTF. Blindly following fools

  • Paul O' Callaghan 16/11/11 #
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    The alternative is Iceland. They knew they couldn’t pay for the mistakes of ice save when it went bust & just took the hit. I know they weren’t in the euro but they didn’t give into pressure from the British or Dutch, unlike the cowards of so called PUBLIC representatives in Ireland.they are trying to imprison the prim-minister that let it happen. I know that everyone wants an easy solution but there isn’t any there is only a less painful one. We need to become solvent again & if that means going against the will of our government & the non democratic elite within Europe so be it. The Irish people have to unify to save the future for our kids.

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  • Hot Toddy 16/11/11 #
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    Spot on Eamonn.

    Paul, I agree with you too but the difference with Iceland was that they always knew the banks were too big to save, Ireland didn’t understand the depth of the hole at Anglo. The fateful decision was made in the mistaken belief that Anglo was fundamentally solvent. It was believed that letting it go bust would have been far worse than saving it. That was wrong, but not as wrong as people believe. If Anglo had gone bust in a disorderly way, shops wouldn’t have opened the next day, a huge number of businesses would have defaulted on their loans, wages wouldn’t have been paid and we would have entered a depression that makes our current issues look mild.

    The failure was to properly assess the situation well in advance of the final days of the crisis and manage an orderly bankruptcy. Iceland understood this, Ireland didn’t. This was first and foremost a failure by our (government appointed) regulators.

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    I agree that we, as taxpayer, shouldn’t be expected to foot the bill and I HOPE we never have to face this situation again. I was just trying to stress that because we have a small number if large players in the market, letting one of them totally fail is not an option.

    (who it Tina btw?)

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  • Toureag 16/11/11 #
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    Fcukin clown Noonen is…..

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  • Lou Brennan 16/11/11 #
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    Convert into Sterling and get under the covers

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    • MojoRise 16/11/11 #
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      I converted any money I had into dollars and stg….

      Don’t let the muppets in the Dail get there hands on ur money

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    I still want to know who Tina is…

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  • lisa duignan 16/11/11 #
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    They are showing utter contempt for us.

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  • Niall Connolly 16/11/11 #
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    Can we get a majority on oconnell street to peacefully march to Leinster house andprotest and demand the mandate of the people we’re tired of all this shit now take the short term hit rather than the long term festering

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  • Paul O' Callaghan 16/11/11 #
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    No the people in control are just replacing politicians with high power bankers who will do what they are told eg. Italy & greece. It’s time the citizens of all the European countries pick a leader that represents their interests & does not allow him to be replaced by someone who isn’t elected. There is no democracy in the world right now.

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  • Réada Quinn 16/11/11 #
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    Covney is on Vincent brown now saying TINA and we’ve got to do what we’re told. Makes you wonder what was the point of having an election to get rid of FF. I’d say it’s time to TUTPASA.

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  • Titus d 17/11/11 #
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    Ah sure, they are a great bunch of lads

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