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Ireland’s taxpayers should not complain – ECB board member

A board member of the European Central Bank explains why the Irish people should stop whingeing about having to foot the bill for the banking collapse.

IRISH TAXPAYERS must accept the consequences of our lax regulation and stop complaining, a member of the board of the European Central Bank has said.

Writing today in the Financial Times, Lorenzo Bini Smaghi points out that “the principle of no taxation without representation works both ways”:

In the years before the crisis several countries, like Ireland and the UK, took decisions aimed at ensuring a more benign environment for their financial sectors. These included favourable taxation for banks, and less stringent self-regulation, rather than thorough inspections and reports. As a result, their banks grew larger and more profitable, increasing leverage and lending to risky sectors such as real estate. But taxpayers also benefited: bank profits filled up state coffers, as tax revenues rose sharply – financing higher public spending and reducing the pressure on taxpayers.

He says that while, in principle, the cost of a banking collapse should be borne by shareholders, managers and bondholders, “as long as [banking] supervision remains national and accountable to the taxpayers [..] those taxpayers should [..] assume responsibility for any failures.”

The article presents taxpayers with a choice: pass responsibility for financial supervision to Europe – or bear the cost of future banking failures yourself.

Does he have a point? Let us know what you think.


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Comments (25 Comments)

  • This logic is akin to assigning all the blame for the local impact of an international pandemic (say, Bird Flu) on the ministry of health. Yes, they have some responsibility (to limit its impact), but cannot be blamed for it all. in most democracies the taxpayer has limited control on the real overseers (cronyism, favouritism) and absolutely no control over international financial markets, etc.

    Interestingly, the Irish tax payer is not rejecting this portion of the liability. What they they are outraged at, is that those directly responsible (developers, financiers, and government) are not held liabie.

    Only the taxpayer (whose control was, at best, indirect) is being forced to pay. THe courts and ‘current thinking’ is protecting bond holders, and other stakeholders who were also taking risks in order to make money.

    IWe now have a situation where the risk taker, who is free to exercise a choice, risks only profits, whereas the taxpayer, who has limited choice or influence, risks the whole loss against a very paltry share in the profits.

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  • P.c 13/04/11 #

    Is this smaghi guy serious..he wants the people of ireland to stop whinging about the current situation.easy for him to say with all his millions.Well we could stop whinging and take to the streets instead.That would put a worrying thought in their heads.

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  • Never mind. There should be an EU referendum along any day now and when we reject that it will give Smaghi and the other Eurofascists something to whinge about themselves.

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    • Bingo!

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    • Do you think there will be a referendum, can’t see the government going for that, there will have to be default in the near future, we the people are paying back the big gamblers, bondholders, investors. The people who built their homes , the majority are still paying the morgage, they did not cause this. Big money men, milionaires and billionaires got greedy and France and Germany played a big part in that. I am all for a referendum. The citizens of Ireland should not be held accountable, are the government cutting down ???

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    • My god is the eu in danger of becoming ” de Brits ” to reformed final fail voters

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  • We can whinge and pay, which is what we are doing, or we can smile and default. What does he think of those options?

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  • Look, its time we just got out of the EU. Its not a healthy relationship anymore. The Germans and French are hell bent on dominating it and gain the most from it. It was great while it was a fairer bloc but the dynamics are changing. When even the IMF are saying that they are being unfair towards us, as they did yesterday, you really have to start asking questions. I voted yes to every EU referendum up to now. I wont be doing so next time!

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  • I don’t think it’s feasible for us to opt out of the EU, but sooner or late they are going to have to admit that the Euro experiment has failed and return to a national currency. The default will come regardless of whether it is wanted or not because we cannot meet the IMF requirements or the loan repayments.

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  • 13/04/11 #

    Much though I hate to say it,he may have a point. Listening to Bertie continue to deny any responsibility for the mess we’re in should remind us that we elected the greatest shower of muppets the country has ever known,and elected them repeatedly. That being said,he comes across as a condescending git who wants to put the peasantry in their place. Why do the EU continually find the need to appoint the biggest gobshites they can find(smaghi,trichet etc.) to senior positions?

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  • Senior Lorenzo He follows the same line of limited thinking that
    the ECB continues to push.The ECB is the Central bank of Europe.
    They were watching German,French banks give this small banking
    country 20 times the money it should be getting,they should have
    stopped these banks lending so much money into such a small
    economy.And yes we are guilty of going over the top with our own
    personnel spending,we are willing to pay the price for our stupidness.
    But so should the ECB,German,French Banks pay their portion for
    being inept and greedy.Nobody is looking for a free ride here,we will
    pay our share but a fair share,thats all we want is fairness.They know
    we cannot pay that money,Its not possible,our ass is on the grass,
    I just wish we were able to pay for day to day spending in the state.
    but we are borrowing 20 billion a year to run this country,so they have
    us by the ballsWith current projections default is coming sooner.

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  • Scumbag. Those who are truly responsible have gone unpunished, because if this entire event has taught us anything it’s that the law does not apply to the rich and powerful. The elite-bias in our system is now exposed for all to see. Classless society my hole

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    • The classless society is a throwback to John Major in the UK, but our fine republic has not espoused that principle, except of course for Bertie proclaiming himself a socialist, to the derision of the opposition. He was quite the socialist in the end though, as remarked by Martyn Turner – the people now own banks, endless property and even a department store.

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  • Very good , David , these sleek creatures such as Senor Smeggy should be looking to themselves . The financial powers that be , ( largely self-appointed ) rely on the inertia of our democracies to gain material advantage . To say that the voter is responsible for the cupidity and greed of an acquisitive few is not merely disingenuous , but , on the part of the ECB ; a disgraceful derogation of responsibility .

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  • The taxpayer had nothing to do with the actions of the employees of the banks who authorised all the risky borrowing.lending.investment .etc for years with little or no regulation. These institutions were not in state ownership at that time. They took the risks they should pay the price.

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  • Up yours ECB…
    That is all.

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  • Didn’t the taxpayer elect the government that chose not to closely supervise the Irish banking sector?

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    • I don’t see what your getting at. Are you implying that it’s the taxpayers fault? I would imagine people voted for them in the hope and expectation that they would do the job they were paid for. Including supervising the banking sector! Unfortunately being a taxpayer doesn’t automatically make a person an expert on the financial system nor does it make a person able to see into the future. And not every taxpayer voted for the previous government.

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    • What an idiot. We elected a government to uphold the law of the state and enforce the regulatory structure.

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    • He likes using the word…inprinciple, ….the banks, bondholders etc shoulld be held responsible.. such a two faced pr..k,

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    • You are absolutely right hugh. Enough of the Irish electorate had repeatedly over looked corruption on the grounds of self interest. The warnings that our politicians were venal , corrupt and economically illiterate go back to haugheys early days yet enough of us were prepared to seemingly forgive anything as long as our house prices appeared to go up up up. So a significant number of us are as culpable as the bankers or any other group. For the rest of us and there are many innocent victims who never voted for this nonsense we live in hope that this hard lesson will be a watershed.

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