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Ireland may need mini-budget if other economies falter: official EU report

The European Commission signs off on a €5.9 billion release of bailout funds, but their green light comes with a warning…

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THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION has formally raised the prospect of Ireland needing to introduce a mini-budget later in the year if the economies of its major trading partners continue to falter.

The prospect is raised in a report published by the Commission this morning, as part of its review into Ireland’s progress under the bailout programme, alongside the news that the Commission was authorising the release of €5.8 billion in bailout funds.

The release means the EU has now provided Ireland with €32.2 billion in financial assistance under the EU-IMF programme since it was agreed in late 2010.

In its report – which was controversially presented to members of the German parliament yesterday, before it was formally published by either the Commission or the Irish Department of Finance – the Commission warns that Ireland’s expectations for growth could “deteriorate significantly” if its main trading partners slide into recession.

“Although the fiscal forecasts incorporate some small buffers, a further  deterioration of the macroeconomic backdrop could require additional fiscal tightening later in the year,” the report states.

The report also raises concerns that Ireland’s plans to return to the bond markets in 2013 could be threatened by any “adverse developments” elsewhere, which could drive further investors away from the bond markets:

The incipient incipient improvement in market sentiment vis-à-vis Ireland remains fragile, and could evaporate in case of adverse developments elsewhere, putting at risk a return to market funding.

The European slowdown could also mean that the State-supported banking sector could find it difficult to deleverage and downsize their operations, which in turn delay those banks’ return to the open bond markets.

It also raises concerns that the new insolvency legislation being proposed by justice minister Alan Shatter, “while necessary, could generate expectations of debt forgiveness, despite the government consistently ruling out blanket forgiveness”.

This, in turn, could lead to a culture where people are less willing to repay their loans and threaten the ability of the banks to wean themselves off State support.

Positives

The report does, however, underline some positives – remarking that last year’s budget deficit was 10 per cent of GDP, well below the 10.6 per cent limit set down under the Troika rules.

It also notes that Ireland had made “major progress” in downsizing the banking system, and that banks had met their deleveraging targets for 2011 despite the tough environment in the banking sector.

In this Dáil this morning, Eamon Gilmore expressed dismay that the report had been given to members of the German parliament before it was formally published in either Dublin or Brussels.

He also insisted that a mini-Budget would not be necessary, despite the Commission’s warnings: ”A mini-Budget will not be necessary – so I hate to disappoint you on that. It will not be necessary,” he insisted.

The Tánaiste said the matter of the document being leaked had been raised with both the German finance ministry, which supplied the documents to the members of the Bundestag, and with the Commission itself.

“I intend to pursue the issue myself, and I intend to discuss it with our ambassador in Berlin, to ensure that the way in which this document was handled is not repeated,” Gilmore said.

The documents are not the first to have been presented to German politicians before their official publication: in November a draft edition of the latest memorandum of understanding was given to members of the Bundestag’s budget committee before it was published.

That document included news of the Irish government’s plan to raise the top rate of VAT by 2 per cent to 23 per cent in the 2012 Budget – ahead of the schedule laid out by previous versions of that document.

In full: The European Commission’s report on the Irish bailout (PDF) >

Read: European Commission insists referendum ‘No’ vote will not affect current bailout >

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Comments (79 Comments)

  • Enda Kenny is no longer our leader.

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  • Mini budget, sounds so ….. harmless. It should really be sugar coated and sold to people as “fun size” which comes in packs of Troikas :)

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  • The seeds of austerity, nothing will change if Europe carries on along this path.

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    • Neil 01/03/12 #

      Yeah yeah, when 2 out of every 5 euro the governments spends on PS pay, old age pension and SW is coming from the troika, and we tell them to shag off with their money, then austerity will really hit.

      40% cuts in PS pay and SW overnight. It’s going to fun to see who everyone blames then.

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    • Change the record Neil, we know, but until Europe writes off a shed load of debt across Europe, things will just keep getting worse. I accept your point of view but you just ignore mine.

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    • Neil would you not consider “cut and paste” save you writing the same comment everytime just a suggestion

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    • Neil 01/03/12 #

      Keith, we have austerity because of the fact we are borrowing so much to pay for basic services and our lenders want that borrowing to level off.
      The only way to avoid “austerity” is to find someone who will lend to us even more money so the government can spend even more so that we end up with an even bigger budget deficit and an even bigger percentage of PS pay etc. being paid for by borrowing.
      SO who is it that will lend to us like that?The bond markets?

      If we don´t want to borrow from the troika then I want to know who we will borrow from, and at what rate of interest. Its a pretty basic question to ask when so much of each PS workers paypackets, each SW payment is dependent on this borrowing.

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    • neil you still havnt addressed the point that it costs 5 billion in cuts to reduce the deficit by 1 billion, no matter how cheap the credit we get is, our economy is too small to sustain these cuts, we are facing a never ending cycle of debts until the economy grows significantly, this continuing argument that we must borrow to pay for public service is all very well, but it has an extremely short life span, even if we were spending nothing on public sector pay, sw, health and education we would still be getting more broke every day

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    • Neil 01/03/12 #

      @Norman, as opposed to the “4th reich” crap that is posted here evey time? As opposed to the bullshit that we can stop borrowing tomorrow and won’t need to cut spending, even though 40% of spending is from borrowing? As opposed to the crap that Europe is somehow waiting on every breath, even though this ESM fund will go ahead without us no problem at all?

      I’m going to keep asking the questions that the SInners and the ULA hate answering. They get very shifty when they have to admit that they’ll need to turn to the bond markets to fund their plans, and extremely uncomfortable when they have to talk about the interest rates we’ll be paying.

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    • Neil 01/03/12 #

      Revolting Peasant, if you want to pump more money into the ecomomy then where does it come from? If your answer is to leave the euro and print new stuff then I’d like an explanation of how the resultant effect on PS pay and SW payments is not extreme austerity?
      If your answer is from more borrowing then from who and at what rate of interest?

      The only “nice” answer is from a booming export market, but thats completely out of our control.

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    • neil, once again you repeat the same mantra so so will i, do you not realise the implications of cutting 5 billion to reduce the deficit by 1 billion? cant you understand that its a debt trap? the deficit currently stands at 17 billion or so, im not sure what the .5% the troika demands the deficit to be cut to is from, is it .5% of gdp,gnp or the whole economy? either way at 5 billion per billion it would cost 85 billion in cuts to reduce it to 0%, at which point we would be already borrowing more because we dont spend that much in a year, considering that in 2010 our total public expenditure was less than 70 billion, we are, in reality, just borrowing to repay the same money over and over

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    • also, the more we cut from public expenditure, the faster the deficit grows because we continually collect less and less from revenue and indirect tax, i understand the need for cuts, but at 5 billion per billion it is an insane cost

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    • Neil, look at the attached chart: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696. Our foreign debt far outweighs our domestic debt, agreed PS and SW need to be reduced to a manageable level over a managed period, but our biggest problem is the amount we owe to Europe, why can’t you get that? All of Europe is being choked, until Europe does something meaningful to address the problem things will just get worse for all European countries. Banks have been reckless getting us to this completely unsustainable amount of debt, yet they haven’t had to take the same pain that the average taxpayer has to take.

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    • Not 100% sure Keith but I believe those figures include all the foreign banks based in the IFSC. So the figures are basically meaninglessness unless you can move those numbers as it’s money we don’t actually owe. It’s money that those banks owe to their parents banks in those countries, that we’ll never have to pay.

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    • Okay Keith I checked with someone a lot smarter than me and those figures you keep quoting are meaningless.
      In the notes on the page…
      “Notes on the data: The Bank for International Settlements data, represented by the proportional arrows, shows what banks in one country are owed by debtors – both government and private – in another country. It does not include non-bank debts. Only key eurozone debtors and their top creditors are shown. Although China is known to hold European debt, no comprehensive figures are available.”

      BIS data is ‘locational’ it only cares what the country of operation is. The foreign-owned IFSC banks are about as big in balance sheet terms as the whole domestic banking sector here, and would have a lot more foreign liabilities. So wherever you see BIS credited as the data source, it’s telling you *absolutely nothing* about the domestic bank sectors of the countries concerned. The figures will only be close to domestic bank sectors where there is little “offshore” banking activity i.e. not Ireland.

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    • I mentioned those figures once Gary, apologies for that mistake, but we do owe in the region of 250BN to Europe and I don’t think that includes interest, anyone wants to give more solid figures, feel free. So the fact remains, we owe a lot more money to Europe than we are over spending in SW and PS as you two keep repeating, and while I agree that government spending needs to be reduced, you will not admit that a portion of our debt needs to be written off by Europe, as it should be for other countries in Europe too.

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    • I believe we owe about 110billion from our general overspending and 70billion for the banks. I’m open to being corrected though if someone has figures that don’t include the foreign banks in the IFSC.

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    • @ Revolting Peasant. Based on what figures exactly are you stating that our economy is too small for these cuts?
      Have a look here:
      http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/gdp

      Our GDP is still artificially inflated by stimulus, in the form of public spending, with borrowed money. We simply have to go back to the public spending we had before we pumped the property sector and ruined our financial system. It doesn’t matter who’s fault it is.

      I for one would welcome a mini-budget, as it would show a grasp on reality that wasn’t present in the last budget. The sooner we get the books balanced, the sooner we can tell our creditors to get stuffed.

      I’m sorry if that affects people’s asperations for being upper middle class, but this country needs to get competitive again, and fast.

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    • I agree entirely with your points Ronan. However, this Government has shown a strong preference for raising taxes over reducing spending. This approach is what lead them the electoral wilderness 20 years ago and they stubbornly stick to this policy again. No reason to believe they won’t do the same thing again.

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    • “Yeah yeah, when 2 out of every 5 euro the governments spends on PS pay, old age pension and SW is coming from the troika, and we tell them to shag off with their money, then austerity will really hit.”

      How much of this money do you think we’re actually seeing?

      Austerity takes money out of our economy in the long run.

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  • Have we not worked out that we don’t control any thing now except how much bull we listen to on radios as the lads and ladies in Berlin run the show

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  • For a second there I though it was the first of April but it’s not it’s only the first of march not funny

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  • Decouple from the banksters debts and we might have a chance!! Definite NO to the fiscal compact.

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  • If anyone doubted that our Sovereignty was gone, well this puts that argument to bed once and for all!
    If this is the way that our ‘Masters’ in Europe treat us now, imagine what they would do to us if we agree to pass the current Referendum!

    With the Referendum in sight, I think our ‘Masters’ have just scored an own goal by doing this!

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  • Vote NO in the referendum. Its the only real method of protest which we can do which will have an effect and make make them listen until the day after when they say, its going ahead anyway and that a referendum was not actually needed after all. But still, we could at least have a brief protest.

    Why are the TD’s still getting their advisor’s wage increases and claiming large expenses and yet the average hard working citizen will be punished in an emergency budget. A reward for work hard and not giving up, thanks guys.

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  • louise 01/03/12 #

    I’m outa here

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  • we’ll be all back into sweatshop workhouses, working 18 to 20 hours a day for pittance. While the rich get richer.

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  • So embarrassing.

    Those people in Dail Eireann must have thick necks.

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  • A mini-budget eh? Oooh, that sounds like a fun time!!! Just like those mini tubs of Ben & Jerrys; they’re tiny so they don’t really do any harm…..then you step on the scales…..

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  • I really need to learn some German. ;)

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  • This is the clearest proof yet our sovereignty is actually gone……. There now exists a government hotline to the Bundestag but unfortunately it’s only to receive instructions. Ireland inc. R.I.P.

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    • Ok William. Ireland Inc RIP. Grown Up Ireland. Stand up and take your place.

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    • When we borrowed the money from the ECB/IMF we agreed to reviews. German law means that as they loaned us a load of money their members of parliament can see those reviews. But let’s exaggerate instead, sounds much more scary..

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    • The Irish people didn’t agree to borrow the money and there wouldn’t have been an issue if we hadn’t had to bail out the banks.

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    • Sorry now Leigh. The Irish people voted for the spend spend spend policies of FF three times in a row. We knew they were corrupt, yet instead of getting rid of them people were patting Bertie on the back coming out of tribunal. We got exactly what we asked for by who we elected, or should I say repeatedly elected.
      Now your assertion That “there wouldn’t have been an issue if we hadn’t had to bail out the banks” is utter rubbish. We have borrowed at least 110 billion to fund overspending, which we’re adding to year on year. We borrowed 70 billion for the banks which has pretty much stabilised at that. We’ll also be able to sell the banks for something.

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  • Mr Lee ,,, just because people don’t agree with whats going on or with our government ,,,,,,,don’t brand us as S, F ,, don’t know what your problem is with them ,,but stop please

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  • Mr. Lee, there happens to be a fundamental difference between socialism and communism. I suggest you check your notes. Free speech happens to be one of our rights in this country.

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    • Mr Lee 01/03/12 #

      There is also a difference between capitalism and fascism. But the people don’t seem to know that.

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    • c’mon mr lee,
      dont refer to us as ‘the people’,
      please call us ‘the peasants’,
      thanks

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    • Speak for yourself Joseph. I’m aspiring to become a me-feiner! ;)

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    • Mr Lee, I believe that Mussolini once said that “corporatism” would have been a better word. Corporatism is, effectively, state capitalism. We don’t have true capitalism and those clamouring for it are mad or just genuinely don’t care about the poor.

      Fascism is of course a more specific ideology involving a strong national identity, though Ireland is still quite a conservative nation compared to the rest of western europe, so it’s not entirely removed from fascism.

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  • Mr lee. One makes an informed decision and comments. If an individual does not agree with the way OUR country is headed so be it. For too long the citizens of this country did what they were told by church and state. “control through fear”. If an individual had a minority opinion on politics they were branded a communist. The linkage between communism and anti religion worked well as a control mechanism. This is no longer the case. It is refreshing to see our fellow citizens say what’s on their minds. It’s liberating to know that one is not alone and don’t have to follow the crowd. As a people the irish just maybe headed toward a quantum leap in political thought.

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  • Mr Lee 01/03/12 #

    The commenters on this site seem to be dry anti EU, anti cuts, anti borrowing, but where do they expect the moment to come from?
    Also they mostly seem to be Sinn Féiners or socialists(another word for communists) and seem to he so angry they aren’t looking at the facts.
    You will know I’m right by all the thumbs down this comment will get and replies saying FF or FG are fascists.
    Anyway, these people do not represent the good, hard working people of our country. So take what they say with a pinch of salt.

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    • FF/FG AND LABOUR are self serving facists, who couldnt give one damn about our people. They are only there to pick up HUGE wages at our expenses. Did Enda Kenny not collect 200k per year whil opposition leader?? seriously, 200k per year. And i dare any FG or Labour supoprter come on this thread and defend this, as being in Irelands interest. Gilmore and Bruton paid themselves top-up wages while in opposition (like the 140k per year wasnt enough)…..
      I am serious … these people should be tried for treason.

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    • Mr Lee 01/03/12 #

      Those in opposition don’t have a say in their wages, and Sinn Féin were the ones that used €50,000 on ink…

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    • Mr Lee, Enda Kenny, Gilmore and Burton elected to pay themselves up to 50,000 euro tax free as opposition TDs using an allowance given to their parties for party funding by the Tax payer … So your argument is crap. And they payed themselves that each and every year from 2001 onwards … my maths is not that great, but that means Kenny paid himself 500,000 Euro Tax free on top of his salary and on top of his expenses etc in that 10 year period (not 100% sure how much the other thieves, sorry Labour leaders paid themselves (i understand it was over 200,000 euro each. Makes Toner-gate look a bit small in comparison (especially when it was Toner that was wasted and not actual cash being paid into accounts). I ask you Mr Lee to answer these charges, instead of defending them.

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    • Socialist isn’t another word for communist, and using communist as a “dirty word” makes you look like an idiot when the opposing ideology of neoliberalism is what got us into this mess.

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  • Clearly a mini budget will be required, apart from the collapse in VAT and reduced growth forecasts, Budget 2012 public service and welfare savings were far too aspirational.

    Perhaps now the majority FG TDs will get Labour to drop their insistence of maintaining the Croke Park agreement at the expense, literally, of the private sector.

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  • I like how the main problem with Ireland is how apathetic we are, yet we are somehow still “too negative” for Mr. Lee.

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  • Vote Yes for stability.

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  • The way the blueshirts and the extreme right aka the Labour Party are behaving with this country’s future mortgaged to the Germans is akin to the Vichy Government and the Nazis! Time we stood up against the Nazis and their allies.

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