Because you have to pay the money back in 3 months, presumably with another 3 month bond. If you only used 3 months bonds, you’d end up having the entire national debt due, cumulatively, over a 3 month period. Not a good idea to be rolling over a 10-figure sum every months.

A country needs to balance their debt between short term and long term bonds. For example, self-employed tax returns are in October. So Ireland under normal circumstances would issue short term bonds to get the money to keep paying the public sector before the tax windfall at the end of the year. Then a bunch of short term bonds would be cleared with the cash brought in.

The NTMA’s job is to balance the day-day financial needs of the country against the mood of the market, what we think we can pay back when etc.

That’s why we’re in the troika program, because the NTMA could no longer project safely into the future. We wouldn’t have had the day-day money to pay the high interest required on our 10 year bonds, and we’d have ended up with a virtually guaranteed default date set in stone when all the bonds started to become due (we may still have this). The troika programme takes away all of these worries as we have a certain sum guaranteed around a floating (though predictable) rate. So we don’t have to play the game.

Most likely, today’s auction is a little tester at us getting back on our feet. Short term money to be paid back out of tax receipts later on. We’ll gradually get back on our feet with respect to short term borrowing to cover waiting for tax in november, but we’ll still need the troika to supply the longer term money for now, as we’re not a good enough bet yet, and we’ll have 10 year bonds coming due in the next few years.

* 12-figure sum, not 10 figure sum!!!!

A fine explanation Ronan O’Suilleabhain, not everyone understands these processes and you explained it well!

and by ‘not everyone’ I meant me!

Agreed, that was a really comprehensive explanation, cheers!

Because government needs to spin this as dipping our toes back in the markets in an attempt to imply their plan is working, all the while handing billions of our money to the banks. They could have done it cheaper, but now we have to foot the bill for the difference to give them their headline.

But look…..theres a socialist TD spending €900 on petrol, STOP PRESS!!

Not that means we have just about covered the bond paid to bankers last week. nNoonan on a trade mission testing the water to see if the Irish people can each sell a kidney to offset some of the anglo debt?

Eh, the 1.8% is the annual rate.

Our Ten year bonds are currently paying 6.09%

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/gigb10yr:ind

Hi Donal,
The 1.8% is clearly the yield over 3 months, so it’s the same as 7.2%/yr.
I am not talking about the current 10yr bond rate, I am just saying that 1.8%/3mts is no big deal in the overall scheme of things.
See: http://www.ntma.ie/Publications/2012/IrelandSells500mofTreasuryBills.pdf

Yields are reported on an annualised basis

The market convention for quoting a bond or T-bill equivalent yield for 3 months is to express the bond equivalent yield relative to the 365-day year rate.
So, if you are correct and the 1.8% is the annual rate, then the 3month money is costing us 1/4 of 1.8%.
But this is not in fact the case as the NTMA clearly states that 1.8% is the yield on the 3month term, which according the the standard market convention, means the annual rate is 7.2%

And that’s why it’s referred to as a discount of face value rather than a yield.

Thats right kingstown, its not growth, stimulus and investment that will get us out of recession, its attitude, the twin sister of the confidence that inda keeps harping on about.

There is a big difference between naysaying and being realistic about what has actually happened? It is clear that celebrating the ordinary, while refusing to demand more from our elected officials, is partially to blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. The sale of short term bonds is not an indicator of anything, but we are suppose to buy the government line about this being more than it is? Why? It is ridiculous that this wafer thin attempt to gather support is being pushed, to be honest.
While I agree with your point about negativity being a partial hinderance to growth, at least superficially, we should never relish mediocrity or follow government spin, solely because the reality is less appealing to our media. This is a non story…

Too True Left, the government is already spending 15bn+ more on Education, Health, Social Welfare etc than it takes in taxes. Its borrowing that money from the troika.
And you want to spend even more.
Sounds great. But where oh where is the money coming from?
The IMF? The bond markets?
And at what interest rate?

The interest rate is determined by what the markets perceive the likelihood of Ireland not being able to pay back it’s debts is, the higher the risk, the higher the interest rate money will be offered to us. Carrying the banking debt makes the risk far higher and as a result the interest rate. Decouple the banking debt from the soverign will reduce the risk and therefore the intereest rate.

This is simple stuff neil, do try to keep up.

It doesn’t “exist” except as numbers on a screen or a spreadsheet. Your comment about collapse is correct, that is why “we are where we are” Banking, writ large, is a unique business, you can make the most enormous bollox of it and the taxpayer rides to your rescue.

we’ll pay it alright, with a 10year loan.

And do you think people would lend to us if we weren’t trying to close our deficit?

Yes…..if we lose the bank debt…..you know, the stuff your dear leader stated in the dail that he wasn’t looking for a writeoff of..

Not having holidays in Rio costing 10k from public finances might help too.

Closing the deficit – the new term for cuts in health and education, ©FG. 2012.

Gotta laugh at the likes of Too True left who say the deficit is just because of the bank debt!
90% of the deficit is the government spending more than it takes in taxes.

Funny how the likes of Neil and the like reckon the forced bank debt is only a minor player in our downward spiral…10% eh?
How much of the deficit is due to TD’s stupid wages then?
How much closer would we be to economic parity if TD’s paid their own f***ing phone bills, bought their own f***ing shoes, filled their cars with their own f***ing money and accepted that their wages and expenses are unsustainable…???
We can’t afford our TD’s, especially TD’s who preach austerity yet remain…and will continue to remain well insulated against the austere policies they’re pursuing.

Neil, can you point us to where, on this or any other thread, I have claimed ” the deficit is just because of the bank debt”

Take your time……..

Ridiculous comment dermot (TD’s wages), get over yourself.

The market will reward the government that abuses the people.

Can they?

Yes they can and have done so recently.

yes they can. they and we are garunteed by a bailout beyond the next 3months so its garunteed money for the investor. garunteed 1.8% on your capital in 3months, easy money.

More importantly, what percentage does Greece pay on its t-bills?

All this craic about Ireland “returning to markets today”…a complete mis-direction!

It’s NOT the bond market,It’s 30-90day T-BILL! Even Greece are doing that, and the situation they’re in! Really canNOT read much this about re-entering 10year bond market.

Do I detect ”Looking for the Negative Syndrome” amongst some commentators.

@Kevin O’Brien, Greece’s T-Bills were auctioned at over 4.6% in May. Back in December, Spanish T-Bills were at 5.11% whereas Portugal’s went for 4.89%. So relatively speaking Ireland did quite well today.

@tomnewnewman.org how about being realistic and countering the spin.