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Dublin: 6 °C Thursday 23 May, 2013

IMF open to extending repayment date on Ireland’s €19bn bailout loans

Christine Lagarde says the IMF has an “open mind” about allowing Ireland to defer its repayments if it helps end the bailout.

IMF managing director Christine Lagarde signs the guest book in the Taoiseach's Office.
IMF managing director Christine Lagarde signs the guest book in the Taoiseach's Office.
Image: Peter Morrison/AP

THE HEAD of the IMF has said the fund has an “open mind” about the possibility of delaying the repayment of Ireland’s IMF bailout loans.

Speaking in Dublin, Christine Lagarde said the IMF was willing to work with the European Commission and the European Central Bank as they examined how best Ireland’s loans could be made more manageable through extending the repayment period.

Lagarde said all matters on making the loans more affordable – including an extension of the maturities on the €19 billion Ireland has borrowed from the IMF – would be considered with the “imperative of helping Ireland to exit successfully” from its funding programme later this year.

There was no question of extending the 2015 deadline for bringing the Irish budget deficit within European limits, however, with Lagarde saying the 2015 deadline had been “realistic” and Ireland’s progress to date affirmed as much.

Finance minister Michael Noonan said the next quarterly visit of the Troika inspectors, due next month, would see the EU-IMF lenders come up with a ‘menu’ of different ways in which the budget extension

The IMF wanted to see a “comprehensive approach” taken to the remainder of Ireland’s bailout, and to the question of how Ireland would be able to ease its way out of the bailout programme later this year.

Ireland – and households – need ‘predictability’

Key to this, Lagarde said, was that the exit was planned to ensure “predictability” about Ireland’s future financial affairs.

A similar tactic was needed to deal with the problem of mortgage arrears, she said, as uncertainty about a family’s financial future would cause them to worry, not to save and not to invest. Similarly, small businesses who were unsure of their future could not hire staff.

Lagarde said she wished to offer congratulations for the “success of the efforts taken by the government and the people of Ireland”.

Ireland had made “extraordinary efforts” to rebuild its economy, she said, remarking that roughly “two-thirds” of the required fiscal reform efforts had been achieved.

Ireland was one of the few countries in the Eurozone to show signs of economic growth, and the figures showing an increase in the numbers at work in 2012 indicated there was “clearly good news on the horizon”.

Marking International Women’s Day, Lagarde expressed her support for gender quotas as a measure of increasing female participation in public life.

“I do think quotas are helpful, [though] not forever,” she said, arguing that people would naturally choose to elect more women when they saw that women could “bring to the table”.

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Comments (93 Comments)

  • Of course the IMF don’t mind extending our loans,the longer you’re in the more they can extract from you and the longer they control our government,doesn’t matter who that is.As for oil and gas being our saviour do you really think they are so willing to keep extending our loans for so long for nothing.Eyes on the prize people.

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  • Vaughan’s hotel the most historic of the the state where the sovereign republic of Eire was founded, together with the 1918 32 county election Dail Eireann, Dail Eireann the four courts the war of Independence the sovereign constitution was written for the rising and was ratified together with the 1916 proclamation under the 32 county election of 1918 in the Mansion house, dublin on the 21 – 1 1919 dail eireann sat later in the day in the round room to conduct the business of the affairs of the state the sovereign republic of Eire the only time the dail sat, we now have the oireachtas who never ratified any treaty in the dail under the sovereign seal of Eire but through the oireachtas the provisional government led by a provisional taoiseach imposed by King George the 5th, thats why they dont use the full seal, just the harp like Guinness.

    We have to have a sovereign government, ask your local TD to explain the difference between the dail and the oireactas and why we have TWO legislative chambers, we are the laughing stock of the world wake up…

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  • Blah,blah,blah Lagarde. The IMF are a con operation. They pat u on the back while they walk out the back door with the family silver. This has always been their purpose since their existence and i have seen nothing to change my mind that they are any different. A tool of a new form of impearlism.

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  • Extend extend no write down No write off let’s do the same with the mortgage and personal debt crisis put everything on the long finger and keep the puppets in power
    I wonder what our grandchildren will think of us when they are living in tents

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  • There must be a delay in getting our oil and gas out. The IMF offering a deferment? The distraction must be delayed.

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    • I think Eddie Hobbs is proving to be a little bit of a problem there !

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    • The IMF program ends at the end of the year if we stay on track. As far as I know nothing has changed with regard to our oil and gas resources. If we’re to go down the whole conspiracy route of exploitation of natural resources, best to remember that the so called “giveaway” has been ongoing for year now, before the IMF came to town.

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    • Firstly david your assertion that I.M.F. program ends this year is misleading …. we are apparently subject to “inspectors” for twenty more years.
      Secondly there are inherent constitutional rights in our constitution with regards to our natural resources and their management …. if our current licencing system was challenged in an honest open Irish Court the novelty of the case would force our judges to consider “best international practice” ………….
      in my opinion the only people who consider the method of our resources’ management to be legal and binding are those who have a hidden vested interest …my opinion!

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    • @ David,

      Let us know when you move from being just a FG groupie to TD wannabee so that we don’t vote for you by mistake

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  • Longer payments.

    All these organisations know we as a whole the country wont kick up a fuss and no party will really challenge them if in power.

    The would love the Greeks to be like us.

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    • I really can’t fathom the total opposition to extending the length of time Ireland is allowed to pay it’s debts. I mean, during the boom times, Ireland still had a national debt that was serviced in every budget; debts that were accrued in the 70s and 80s. I don’t recall much of a fuss being kicked up then by anybody, because they were happy with how the economy was performing.

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  • JakkiB 08/03/13 #

    “Defer” seems to be the new buzz word, Noonan also uses it regarding OAPs and the property tax, IT IS NOT OUR DEBT!!!

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    • Reg 08/03/13 #

      Got some bad news for you….most of it is!!!!

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    • Sorry, Reg, but most people don’t want to hear that. If it isn’t all the fault of corrupt bankers, then it must be because we’re overspending, and that would never do.

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    • The fox signs in and the hen is chuffed.

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    • Emily
      if you look at it nearly every country in europe is trading with a current deficit, by taking the burden of the banking debt off the countries it may be possible to trade out of this crisis but without that happening we will be indebted for generations

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    • The money from the IMF is our debt. We’ve used it to fund our public services over the past few years.

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    • yes david i didnt say it wasant im talking about the banking debt

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    • Reg 08/03/13 #

      It could be argued that a lot of the banking debt is our debt too. The banks lent large amounts into the economy. A lot of this credit ended up in the hands of Fianna fail governments from the proceeds of various taxes who then used it to double public spending in a ten year period. They increased PS salaries, pensions and social welfare by much more than inflation on the back of the taxes on this bank credit. The people continued to vote for Fianna Fail on the back of these policies. Lending practices and the banks went largely unchecked by regulators. People need to look closer to home for the mess that we are in.

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    • How??

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    • Reg
      people need to look closer that is correct
      austerity is slowly grinding countries to a halt, not just ireland but look at the european figures of yesterday. governments use the GNP figures to spin falsely. look at the GDP figures, our domestic economy is falling apart. the law of diminishing returns is not far off and then what do we do?

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    • Stop spending?

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    • might I suggest something
      The ECB have pumped over a trillion dollars of cheap credit into the eurozone banks in the last while (makes our little debt of 30 billion pale in comparason).
      how about giving it directly to the governments who in turn can fix there countries and give them a chance of coming out of this recession

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    • Verbal
      Yes you’re right as we will be saddled with this for generations. The best way of coping with that fiscally is to devalue the repayments by extending the period of the loan at low fixed interest rates as the Government is attempting. In that manner we will have little difficulty trading our way out of the crisis.
      For this to happen we must continue to attract foreign investors while supporting our indigenous industry and keep costs down and by that I mean the cost of doing business here .

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    • Reg 08/03/13 #

      Verbel, our total debt is about 200 billion, of which about 65 billion is due to the bank guarantee and subsequent bank bailout. A bit more than 30 billion!

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    • and your point is reg?

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    • It’s been used to pay massive pensions to the people that destroyed this country not to mention the wages and expenses that our politicians are currently on.

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    • Reg
      I have tried to put forward an alternative
      lets here your solution and no peeking at the fine gael website
      We can see by the fugures that what has been done in the last few years clearly is not working
      So what do you suggest?

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    • Emily
      I agree
      there is gross wastage in public sector, health and social welfare areas but this problem has been dealt with rather lazily, no thought whatsoever just cut across the board.

      This is taken from the mayo fine gael website:

      Our public sector is too large, too inefficient and too expensive. Fine Gael will improve the quality of public services by prioritising frontline services-that’s teachers, health professionals Gardaí, Local Authority services etc, and will streamline systems, eliminate red tape and waste and managers will be accountable.

      and also from the same website their promises on the budget:

      Unlike the other parties, Fine Gael will take on the big vested interests that have contributed to the current crisis – the bankers, the bondholders, the developers and the unions. And we will aggressively cut the waste in our public service to keep all taxes as low as possible.

      Now does that bear any resemblence to what they have done since getting into power?

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    • Reg 08/03/13 #

      What would I do Verbel, well there’s a question! The first thing I would do is slash the salaries of senior politicians and the pensions of former ones. The Taoiseach should be paid about 150k for a country our size. TDs should be on about half that with more moderate expenses and ministers somewhere in between. No one should be receipt of pensions or pensions in excess of 75k from the public purse. I would bring in legislation immediately to effect that…let them sue the state!

      Once that is done I would rationalise all the local authorities, we need about ten. The same with the fire service, we need one national fire service. Compulsory redundancies/early retirements I’m afraid. Need more suggestions?

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    • a good start but it would hardly scrape the deficit but im with you all the way. a gesture from our politicians would encourage faith!!!!

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    • @ david,

      Are FG putting something in your cornflakes ?

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    • Reg 08/03/13 #

      You’re correct, politicians pay would hardly make any difference to the deficit but people do need to be shown some example. No one thing will get us out of this mess, the government are taking many of the correct steps and some not so good, but they need to go much further and should be far more aggressive in many areas.

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    • 100% Reg!

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    • The bailout programme includes both sets of monies david. The imf has never helped anybody. This is a gentelmans default, meaning they know full well they need their poster boy to hold up as such to other countries. Look here at ireland how they and we fixed them, then they can do the same to other countries. However they know well for that to happen we must be able to exit the programme which was impossible, thats why the Anglo ‘Deal’ was done, and that is why we are having or will be having an extension of loan repayments. Without that, we havent a hope of exiting anything and they have no success story to continue raping other countries with. By the way, that bank debt is now a soverign debt. Also the Anglo robbery of this country has been admitted as unpayable from our DEAL and so we now kick it down the road, also a default of a gentelmans way because they know we cannot repay it.

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    • @Verbel Kint
      we couls trade out of a crisis if there was an emphasis on Employment – and get rid of Austerity – it works ok – but for the Rich .
      The banks get money for free – or near so – and they gamble with it . Much more money in Fraud , money laundering etc – than in manufacturing . The City of London leads the world in this .
      What we have here is a class war – and there is no real intent on part of IMF or other body to help peopel – as has been stated – they want to enslave us – and those that follow – go back to Feudall times .
      I agree with u that there is wastage at top of PS – mainly – but it is small compared to waht the Privtae sector has delivered by way of having to be bailed out – and tax dodging .
      did u really take that BS on FG website seriusly
      ”Unlike the other parties, Fine Gael will take on the big vested interests that have contributed to the current crisis – the bankers, the bondholders, the developers and the unions. And we will aggressively cut the waste in our public service to keep all taxes as low as possible.”
      the idea of FG taking on vested interets and banks is ridiculous – u must be very young .
      Even Osborne in UK yestrday was reported on BBC radio – as saying that there needed to be something on the lines of a roosavelt ” New Deal ” approach .
      Austerity can never work for the majority – it is not designed to .. If things continue – there will be an Elite and most others will just be slaves .
      i dont see how one can have faith in a system that is designed to enslave one – no matter waht the politicins are paid – and yes it is too much – and we have far too many of them . Less than half would be enough – or maybe – given their recent record – none . the civil service run the country anyway – and most of the peopel in dail — need plenty notice to anwer a question .
      @Reg – I agree with some of waht u say – and the 75 K pension [ that would be nice ] – aslo some of these guys are in reciept of more than one pension as far as I am aware – if u were a minister for Ag – u get a pension – if u are moved to eg Finanace – then u have two pensions
      you made some incorrect remarks before re PS pensions – ie conrtribution stating in mid 90s etc .i was making contributions from day 1 .
      Here is the actual state of events .- I have ommited the writers name etc
      – ”
      ”In an otherwise informative article on public service pensions (Pension Focus,October 26th) Barry McCall is incorrect when he states “workers across the civil and public service began making contributions to their pensions for the first time” in the mid 1990s.
      In fact, most public servants have always made contributions to their pension. Secondary teachers have been contributing since the foundation of the Secondary Teachers Superannuation scheme in 1928.The change in the mid 1990s was that those new entrants to the public service would now pay a full rather reduced stamp thus entitling them to a State pension. However, this State pension is not in addition to the public service pension but is subsumed into it. A public servant who will be in receipt of a €500 pension after 40 years contribution will get €230 from the State pension and €270 from their public service pension. It could be said that since 1995 public servants are getting the same for more. However, since 2004 the retiring age for new entrants has been raised to 65 and those who access their pension before this age will suffer a penalty even if they have already worked and made contributions for 40 years.
      When the cost of public sector pensions is being discussed it is well to remember that in 2009 public servants made €3.1 billion pension contributions and €2.6 billion was paid out in pensions. Since then we have the pension levy of 7 per cent which amounts to another €2 billion. All of these contributions go into day to day spending and the pension reserve fund has been raided to fund our banks. – Yours, etc,

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  • Do these people live in the same reality as the rest of us? Seriously, what is she basing this on?

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    • Largarde earns €350,000 per year TAX FREE
      Here’s how the IMF does business. They go to desperate countries and lend them money and as for repayment they tell the host country to tax their people. Later they demand more money so they go after public properties and services (Bridges, Highways, Water Supply …) of that country.

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    • You make them sound so evil, like a dodgy money lender or debt collector. Surely they’re are less bond villian and more friendly uncle? I’m sure they can be trusted and have our best interests at heart.

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    • Michael Noonan has achieved all this by taking decisions that np politician would want to take. An honest politician.

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    • tell that to Bridget McCoole

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    • @Peter
      I think we need to also stimulate the economy, not just ireland but europe also, the ECB have tried already by giving cheap credit to the banks but they have not passed it on, instead they have chosen to fix their balance sheets. this is why there is a need to bypass the banks and get the money out there so we can grow our economies

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    • @ The Polar Bear… I like your analogy of the IMF being like a friendly uncle Fred. Yes a fine benevolent fellow who is welcomed into ones house and who has bunged a few bob our way when stuck to pay bills from time to time..

      Of course in the fullness of time friendly uncle Fred it turns out has been fiddling with the kids

      What do you make of IMF insiders book “Confessions of an economic hitman” John Perkins

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    • Of course they dont – the whoe object of the exercise is to get back the money that the German and Dutch banks ade in bad loans – and in our case the Irish banks then made very bad lons to builders , devolopers and private individuals – without the necressary health checks – so they basically went bust – and now we pay . There was another way – the Icelandic way – but that was not acted on .
      Once the IMF get in – they also have a political agenda – to privatise as much as they can – despite the fact that it was private banks that caused the problem – ..
      In a way they are right – the fact that we tolerate these crooks means we are fools – and they treat us as such – good for them . We are too Obedient .

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  • I’ve deleted a few comments because they were either direct attacks on other users, or because they referred to those attacks (and would have been out of context had they been left published).

    Readers are reminded that three breaches of the comments policy, which forbids ad hominem attacks (and comment duplication, which means I had also had to remove another few comments – though I appreciated it wasn’t posted with ill-intent), gets a permanent ban.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/

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    • Gavan
      I have no problem abiding by the rules when they are enforced fairly and equally
      Thanks
      Verbel

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    • could you please quantify “ad hominem” …………
      If I write …e.g. “I think that enda kenny is a traitor of the irish constitution!” ..I am expressing an opinion and one which i am prepared to argue and defend yet it is only an opinion because it is prefaced by “I think”………..
      if however I write “Enda kenny is a traitor to the irish constitution” is it a direct attack because i have not prefaced with “I think” …and yet by virtue it’s on a blog then is not just as an opinion as the very purpose of blogs is to express an opinion……………
      just wondering what the rules are and I am not in any way implying that enda kenny is a traitor , my personal opinion on that is something i will, of course, reserve for if and when I ever have the displeasure of meeting the man!…..a few examples might be a good idea …just a suggestion!

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    • Fine! Ill just sort out another Twitter account.

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    • Dermot – Sure. What I mean by ad hominem is that you should ‘play the ball, not the player’.

      The two examples you gave there are both fine because they’re evidently an expression of opinion. Where I personally draw the line is when, instead of criticising another user’s opinion, you criticise the user themselves.

      If user A says “I like the IMF and I think they’re much nicer than the ECB,” and user B says “That analysis is stupid,” then user B is attacking the opinion but not the user themselves. If user B was to say, “You’re stupid,” that’s a personal attack and we won’t allow it to remain published.

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    • thanks for the clarification gavan!…………. all good clean hurling so!

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  • Such great leaders we have!
    Look what the IMF done to Africa, South America the Philippines. Most countries its been “involved” with end up on a path of destruction. Just like here.

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    • True. In Argentina the poverty is so bad there are people who were once doctors and lawyers searching the rubbish dumps for food. I saw it on a documentary many years back. Very sad.

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    • That’s like saying look at the state of car crash survivors after they have been to hospital; it must be the hospital’s fault.

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    • No thanks Miss Lagarde and Mr Kenny.
      We will have a €110 Billion write off instead, just like Greece got.

      Kenny you Stoogeen Europuppet Traitor!
      Sell of our resources and our people to pay these conmen,will you?
      Traitor!

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    • Two things happened today. 1) Lagarde told Ireland to politely eff off. No deals – for all that our “Government” would have you believe.
      2) Banks announced that they want to repossess homes because the repossession rate is “unnaturally low”.

      Last week the Government tries to convince us that the property market has “stabilised” (property tax anyone).

      It also had itself convinced that the unemployment crisis was over, along with the recession.

      It is hard to credit that a tiny amount of people can hold an entire country to ransom and terrorise them with unauthorised salary deductions for a tax which the majority do not want to pay.

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    • Spot on.

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  • We do not owe this money, IMF and the Bondholder are owed by the same people. The IMF want our countries resources, just look at what they did in Bolivia in relation to that countries water supply.

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  • It’s crazy how aggressive people commenting here have become towards anyone saying something that doesn’t agree with them, unless you’re wearing a red shirt and call for a revolution against bankers/politicians/IMF/ Europe/the rest of the world, you’re being treated like an enemy and won’t be allowed to bring ANY comment forward without being called troll/FG/FF/idiot. I understand people are angry but theres no room for debate anymore, just blaming sessions whatever the article. And I’m not a supporter of this government and don’t adhere to any political parties.

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  • May i speak for roughly 90% of my fellow Irish men and women ms.legarde. We don’t care anymore, we’ve had enough of the speil and rubbish. Enough of pulling the wool over our eyes. We don’t care what you or our eyes”government” say.

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    • what gives the current lot to speak for the people either since they lied there way into power declan and before ya say oh no they didn’t do remember pat the plank rabbitte admitted on tv they make any promise to get in

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    • Leslie Alan. You are most certainly not un-intelligent. Just ignorant of the facts

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    • Unlike yourself Rory…or is that world red thumb recorder holder. There’s a reason for that ye know!?!

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    • You’re speaking for 90% of the electorate you say but 60-70% of said electorate would vote for Labour, FF or FG in the morning according to recent opinion polls. You may edit that and say that you speak for 90% of the contributors here.

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    • You’re right. There probably is a reason Leslie Ann. It’s probably the fact that if on Journal you don’t keep to the groupthink of “EU bad, IMF bad, Government bad” the legions of red-thumbers strike.

      Nobody is saying that the government is perfect. Indeed while I support the broad thrust of their policies I am deeply disappointed with them on other matters, such as political reform, transparency and open government and elimination of waste in the public service.

      But you can’t express any support for the government on this site without being called a stooge, a lackey or some kind of hack.

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    • censored 08/03/13 #

      All the FG/FF/LAB party hacks on here have to offer is more of the same. I’d have thought that after 5 years some of ye might be starting to worry that the plan might not be working!

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  • IMF needs a poster boy for austerity and we have been chosen. All we need now are politicians with the balls to get us a great deal…… what a pity we don’t have any.

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  • The Prefects aka The Three Stooges are having their heads tapped by the Headmistress once again. The hypocrisy is Gauling!

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  • Why are the politicians and bankers who involved the IMF and the Bond holders still walking around and not in jail? When you think the politician and his wife in the uk are going to jail for penalty points. Our politicians are the cause of increased suicide and poverty yet they reward themselves with huge pensions.

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    • the director of public prosecutions is best positioned to answer that one for you Frank!

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    • Frank , the most they can be fined is 3500,, we will pay that for a judge,, never mind barristers,, joke of the century,, think they will be embarrased to bring them to court,, be like a big hand shake for the thieves and leeches of this country,,, wish someone would just shoot all the feckers and let us move on,,,

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  • The meeting of the two Dames

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  • Ah the old I.M.F.;- not the same fun-loving operation that we had when we signed up with “sex-party” Dominic Strauss Kahn ……………….I wonder if any of our poor politicians were subjected to that man’s unholy carry-on….make a pope (if we had one) blush apparently!

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  • The IMF only pat the Irishon the back the idiots that rule (or should i say ruin)this Country are so happy to get a good mark they would sell every soul in Ireland. I hope soon all will raise up against this despotic country.

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  • Kick the can down the road, into the first un repaired pot hole, and watch the rest of the road ahead disappear , clowns of the first order

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  • Gavin.. for the record a large portion of her discussion praised Ireland, Michael Noonan and the Goverment… You must have missed that bit!!!

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