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If demand to buy houses rises, shortage in cities could see price surge – ESRI

A new report ESRI says that housing stock in some urban areas is low enough that an upturn in the economy and demand to buy could see prices rise.

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THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL Research Institute (ESRI) has said that a significant increase in the demand to buy houses particularly in urban areas where housing stock is low could result in prices rising.

A report from the ESRI by economists David Duffy and John FitzGerald says that in key urban areas the stock of vacant houses is not very large particularly in the greater Dublin area.

If there is a sudden increase in demand to buy houses then this low number of houses could see prices rise again although the report says it is unlikely prices will return to boom time levels.

“A significant increase in demand to buy houses in these urban locations could exhaust the vacant stock and, given a very low level of house-building, this would begin to put upward pressure on prices,” the economists conclude.

Prices could rise in urban areas such as Dublin, Cork and Galway with the report saying that four in ten of those currently renting – many of whom are under the age of 35 – could afford a mortgage.

The report estimates that there could be demand for between 15,000 and 20,000 houses a year as younger people form households. But it says that it is dependent on the economy picking up in the coming years.

The report adds: “Whether this demand will materialise in practise will depend on the availability of mortgage finance from the banking system.

“In a somewhat longer time scale, there will also probably be some pressure to increase the level of building from the current very low level. However, such a change would also depend on the availability of finance for building.”

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Comments (52 Comments)

  • Really?

    Increased demand = increased price!

    I think the ESRI have justified their existance with that nugget of information!

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    • It’s called supply and demand. The more of something there is, the less it’s worth. The less of something there is, the more it’s worth. In other words, if you have one product but several people want it, you can dictate the price of the product
      However, the point missing in this article is that the product is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

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    • Kemberlee, I don’t know if your reply was directed at informing me of basic economic theory – if so, you may have missed the sarcastic tone of my post…

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    • Alan, Must have done, because increased demand does equate to increased pricing, as I said. I don’t necessarily agree with anything the ESRI have to say. Just saying your comment about demand vs pricing is correct. This is a phenomenon taught in college so I’m not sure where all my thumbs down are coming from.

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    • You don’t really need to have gone to college to understand supply and demand Kemberlee…

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    • hahahahahah….everyone check out Kemberlee’s facebook wall…….she is trying to sell houses….hahahaha…just another vested interest trying to talk up a poisoned greedy property market!

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    • Get a life, Martin. I’m an author and publisher. One post about selling our house doesn’t mean I’m a property mogul. But by all means, please, everyone come to my Facebook page. Our authors would love some book sales!!

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    • Compared yo your FAKE twitter account………..I bet you are just bitter because you will never afford a home.

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    • Mark, You have absolutely no clue. This coming from a guy whose sole reason for having a FB page is to copy TheJournal.ie articles. Grow up. Geez! What is it with men today? Or is it just you all think the internet gives you some anonymity so you think you can be jerks to women? Your poor mothers!

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  • The ESRI?

    Should we wait a few days until the revised report based on different data comes out?

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  • These geniuses are saying:
    IF the economy suddenly got better somehow…
    And IF people really wanted to buy houses…
    And also IF the number of houses for sale didn’t increase,
    Well then house prices MIGHT rise.

    I’ll rewrite it for them:
    We don’t have a clue what’s happening or what’s going to happen but hey look there’s a few less houses up for sale on daft.ie in parts of Dublin.

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    • Excellent Summary!
      Government tools like the ESRI are used to push agenda’s…
      This is clearly an agenda to push the possibility that house prices may increase if demand increases and the confidence in the economy improves..

      Or wait for it…
      With the advent of property tax based on house values the government will want this based on “their” view of the property market and not the buyers!!
      At the end of the day a property like a car or a boat is only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay!

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  • How much would we save by abolishing this mindless quango?

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  • A lot of ‘if’s’ in that report.

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  • Why they still tease the property addicts with these empty platitudes, I don’t know.

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  • Sorry, but I just can’t believe a word this crowd say! I guarantee they’ll be saying something completely different in a month or so! Just look at how often they change their growth forecasts for example! How are house prices anywhere in the country supposed to rise, or even stabilise for that matter, when unemployment is at current levels? There’s no sign of banks making borrowing any easier, and everyone knows that people are going to have their income hit even harder for the foreseeable future! Complete shams!!!

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    • Well said rodrigo your comment is close to the truth if the people only knew the extent of the lies that are being fed to us by all goverment institutions and on top a cover up in to our banking crises ,there are so many people involved in these so called investigations and all we hear is their silence what is making this happen .

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    • Sounds like propaganda to try and get people back buying houses again. Quiet pathetic really. The esri has lost all credibility. A puppet organisation controlled by the government to spew out ‘independent’ skewed information of the governments choosing.

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  • This is the same misleading headline as is in the the indo today.

    I read this report – nowhere in the article does it refer to a price surge. This could lead people to make a buying decision based on poor reporting.

    Tabloid journalism at its worst.

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    • The Irish Independent are the nastiest & most vested interested media s#um your ever likely to read, lead by brendan o’connnor and his friends who pumped loads of eventual tax payers money into bad greedy property investments and will now lie and cheat and talk up the market for there own back pockets. This paper should be closed down and put out of its misery. A horrible “news paper”!

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    • Reg 19/06/12 #

      The Indo has a vested interest alright, don’t they own the property.ie portal?

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  • There is a lot of empty houses all over Dublin, people have decided to wait and not sell, sit on property and see if the prices rises, hence the shortages of houses currently on the market. The waiting game continues…

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  • Peter 19/06/12 #

    Shortage of houses ? What with about 10 for sale signs and to let signs of every street lol more like a shortage of buyers

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  • When have the ESRI got anything right?

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  • Banks won’t give mortgages with the prices as they are. A price rise won’t help.

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    • actually they will give mortgages at current prices and have been doing so provided the person can afford it and has a reasonable deposit saved up. check your facts dave.

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    • I got approved 3 times from 2 different banks was no prob

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    • Alan, did you buy?
      If not, why not?

      This article is a joke, as they are relying on one very simple economic rule called supply and demand.
      In reality, the supply and demand variable is only one factor when determining the future of the housing market.

      Price elasticity of supply (PES or Es) is a measure used in economics to show the responsiveness, or elasticity, of the quantity supplied of a good or service to a change in its price.
      When the coefficient is less than one, the st good can be described as inelastic; when the coefficient is greater than one, the supply can be described as elastic.

      In other words, if you factory in price elasticity, when is the major driver for falling house prices, you will realise that people are not willing to spend more than the market value of the property. The Irish people learned the hard way, Supply and Demand are not the be-all and End-all.
      Actual property asking prices are still, over-valued relative to the price people are willing to pay. This is evidenced by the number of mortgage requests (never mind mortgage approvals).

      It is really disappointing that the ESRI would bother their ass compiling a report saying that in years to come, supply may outstrip demand, and in return may drive up house prices. What is the point of writing a report that states such a bloody obvious observation.
      I can tell you that butter prices may go up in the future, if more people start eating a lot more butter and butter manufacturers don’t start producing more butter.

      If demand does start going up for houses in 5 years, builders will start building again, which will alleviate any demand requirements.
      I am not an economist, but i know simple basic economic principles.

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    • yeah I did buy moved in last month . it 1100 a month rent or I got my mortgage for 670 a month. its a 3 bed semi.in nice area . don’t thinks that’s to bad . if it drops another 10% well so be it I would have to have paid what something like13 grand a year rent for same house so not to far off . I’ve been looking for over a year prices have stoped droping for good houses and only droping houses that need major work

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    • Congrats on the new house. My you have many long and happy years in it.
      You are right, if you are paying 1100 per month for rental accommodation, then absolutely you are better off buying, and paying 670 per month on a mortgage. That just makes economic sense.
      There were similar differentials 12 months ago, and people still didn’t jump en-mass. I am not talking down the market, i am being realistic in my assessment (but it is only my opinion). Latest reports suggest there may be up to another 20% drop in prices. However, 20% on a 3 bed semi like you described, would not mean a negative impact to someone like yourself who would be paying more than that differential in rent. So for yourself personally, its happy days, so good move and again Congrats.
      For many others though, it is still relatively cheaper to rent, than it is to buy. A number of factors impact those still deciding..
      1) Job security: So many horror stories of people being so far behind on their mortgages due to unforeseen circumstances. There is hardly a family left in the country who hasn’t been impacted between brothers/sisters/parents/children.
      2) Ability to get 90% mortgages: It is now illegal to borrow a deposit. So on a modest 200k house, you must save 20,00 cash deposit. If the ESRI’s other reports are accurate, not that many have 20,000 euro savings.

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    • thank you very much

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  • What utter sensationalist scaremongering. The housing market has a long, long way to go before we have to worry about shortages in availability.

    First we have claims that the housing market here is undervalued, now we have claims that any increase in demand could be met with a shortage in supply.

    Just another cheap, vacuous attempt to get people buying houses when in reality, with forecasts predicting further falls in prices, nobody has either an incentive to nor access to credit to.

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  • Houses are still too expensive for single people on the average industrial wage.

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  • Let’s kick start the property ponzi scheme again so that we can all get rich by selling houses to each other at inflated prices with money borrowed from abroad. Didn’t it work the last time ;-)

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  • If prices go up they will cost more.
    They are sharp, you gotta hand it to them.
    Should be on mastermind. Chosen subject. ‘the bleeding’ obvious’.

    By the way. There will be no surge in house prices for 20 yrs.

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  • This is like a fairy story ,and if,and if,and if,and if the bond holders said its grand u
    Don’t need to pay us anything,and house prices went back to their original prices and if the banks were lending ,and we all woke up and realised it was a terrible dream and we had to go to work what a relief.

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  • You would think this Shower were looking at data from Mars, the simple truth of the matter is few if anyone, particularly first time buyers will touch property with a barge pole at the moment, even if they could get a mortgage, Ironically if what the ERSI say is true and its very, very doubtful, house prices rises in urban area will yet again force people into purchasing in rural areas, you know the same thing that happened before, people having to travel long distants to get to work (if they still have a job) and yet again thousands of people stranded in obscure locations if they loose their jobs with no work or little hope of work down the track (Hmmm, were have we seen this happen before)

    I suggest the ERSI, dig a hole somewhere and stay in it for a prolonged period whilst the regain some credibility albeit that make take some time.

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  • Can the ERSI not do simple maths, they say there might be a need for 15,000 to 20,000 even if this rose to 30,000 we still have 10 years of finished building stock never mind the half built ghost estates and apt blocks. I base this on the 2011 Census “289,451 vacant dwellings”

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    • they are talking about urban areas only. housing stock in dublin has decreased significantly in last few years. there is no longer a national housing market with dublin and cities performing different to rest of country. if only the media would realise that

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  • A friend of mine wanted to buy a house in south Dublin. it sold for €27k more than the asking price, 3 people wanted the house, he did not get it.

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    • LIES…LIES…LIES

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    • I’m sure the property will fall back onto the market again sometime soon.

      Auctioneers think this is a game of monopoly.
      Introducing phantom bidders to help push bidding wars..

      Asking prices are usually unrealistic prices which the seller hopes to get…
      I would have offered at least 20% less than the asking price..
      If he could not afford the apparent sale price he is better off waiting until it pops up again after the “phantom sale falls through” or find somewhere else

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    • Martin you might want to believe that, i don’t care what you think, it means nothing to me. I have nothing to lose by telling what happened to my friend, i don’t even live in Ireland. The house did sell for €27k more. I will say it was €220k less than the value of it in 2007.

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  • Standard economics, developers should be building at a capacity to meet projected demand in 5 years instead they are short on credit and are viewing demand based on 2011…

    It’s the same with oil prices, they soar people invest, by the time energy infrastructure is built the cycle bottoms out and the extra capacity is not needed… Oil falls in value they stop developing, demand rises again and there’s a shortage of capacity

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  • Maybe things would not be so bad if you all lost the negative attitude.same old story

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