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Disposable income and household savings up in second quarter

The CSO said savings were primarily used to pay down debt and fund property investment.

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DISPOSABLE INCOME IN Irish households increased by 2.2 per cent or €480 million in the second quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2011, according to figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO).

The CSO said the main contributors to the increase were an addition of €473 million in the profits earned by the self employed and a fall of€181 million in income payments for the sector as a whole.

Figures also show household savings increased in the second quarter of 2012 by almost €700 million as consumers continued to count their pennies.

However the CSO said savings were primarily used to pay down debt and fund property investment.

Household spending in the second quarter also fell by €206 million over the same period compared to the same period last year.

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Comments (42 Comments)

  • I’m so broke that when I get mugged by junkies they call it practice

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  • A bit of clarity would help people understand this CSO data.

    ‘Savings Up’ in the sense of this report, simply means that total private debt has been reduced – people paying down loans, not piling up money in some savings account.

    And household spending down by €206 million means income & the jobs attached to that are also reduced. So the domestic economy continues to tank. Exactly as we should expect given the economic vandalism being wrought by the top few percent & their useful (and/or well insulated) idiots.

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  • Are they thinking we are spending less so we must be saving. I don’t know about the rest of you but I spend all I have and if the fact I have less to spend I can do little about that. I would love to contribute to society more by spending more however this is not possible. All my income goes on mortgage ESB gas and just staying alive.

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  • had to listen to a friend whinge about having no savings the other day while she was puffing on a fag. 20cigarettes a day she smokes but her poor four year old son is growing out of his clothes and she has no money. priorities peeps

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  • Agree with all of the ‘negative’ posters here. I have less money now than at anytime in my life to spend on anything but bills & trying to stay afloat. A trip to the dentist now would almost be a treat!! I didn’t buy investment properties or holiday homes or buy into the boom in general so as far as the CSO figures go they mean nothing to me – just more spin & manipulating of stats to suit some agenda or other.

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  • Saw in the Independent paper this morning Enda Kenny holding another trophy he’d got from Germany. Said he’d taken it for all the Irish citizens who’ve had to put up with austerity the past few years. Now, isn’t that good news, hope that’s cheered everyone up???

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  • Savings ? All I can do is spell the word any more . I have no savings left and no way of saving either. Very insecure feeling .

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    • I feel the same as you. Never before have we had so little money. Two young children. Savings what are they ? Feeling very down about the whole situation and can not see a way out of it. God only knows what the budget holds. We will be even worse off if that is at all possible.

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    • Pippa
      I have a son just started College , one in 5th class , and bills just mounting up . I was never so badly off. BUT I think we have to try and remain positive ,in so far as we have our kids . They do not ”need” all that they ”want” and we can explain that to them … I reckon things have to become simpler and less commercial. We have decided that we will spend time together at Christmas with family instead of presents , My older children will be coming home for Christmas. . I do not use the Heating (Gas) as much . I light the fire in the evening ! wear a warm fleece during the day and go to bed earlier…
      Chin up girl :)
      We are all in the same boat and do not for one minute feel ashamed . It is the shower of liars in government who should be ashamed .

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    • Eileen I’m in the same boat but I refuse to let things get me down. It’s not easy but I just will not do it.
      Look a lack of 24 hour central heating, foreign holidays & Sky didn’t kill our parents & it won’t kill us. In fact in a funny way it has brought the family closer together & when things do improve, as they will we will all be the wiser for it
      Keep the faith!!!

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    • Justin Gillespie
      Thanks for that ,I was talking to friends of mine recently and we decided that we are not going to hide the fact that we are broke -short of money- any more . We are doing the best we can do . There is money in this country ,and we are all in the same boat. :) There is no shame in working hard and being paid a pittance . altho in my case I am on a pension .

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    • Eileen,
      Thanks for your encouragement.

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    • There is no shame in poverty, but it is a terrible inconvenience!!!!!!!!!

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    • I remember when we were kids my mother knit , She would rip out jumpers that had we had grown too big for and reknit them into hats gloves and scarves. Bigger jumpers were knit into smaller jumpers and she made our clothes too as she was a skilled dress maker . It is amazing how much we take for granted . Just saying :)

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    • Consider investing instead of saving. it can be done with a small amount, its not just for the wealthy. Saving with banks is a joke, your money only makes the banks money. Get “investing for dummies” as a start. Very easy to read and follow and it might just make you think differently about your hard earned

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    • Mark
      Are you serious ? Did you even Read our comments ? We do NOT have any spare cash ….
      Nil , Nada, Nothing !

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    • Eileen go easy. I posted the comment for all to see, as a helpful suggestion. I hope your situation changes for the better.

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    • Mark
      … and all of us were only saying how tough things have become . EMPATHY . Look it up in a dictionary

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    • Eileen, I’m currently working off the Chinese coast, 10 hours a day, 7 days a week in order to pay my bills and pay off the debts from going to college, twice. I havnt seen my family in 77 days and won’t for another 23. Empathy! Useless. Hard work and perseverance are all that will do here

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    • Mark
      Don’t knock it
      I worked on one occasion 21 x 12 hr shift days straight and if I took a day off I was fined . Other times it was 7 /8/ 9 days straight . I know what it is to work hard and to have to work hard. I miss work , and I have not been able to wrk in nearly 7 years since I was ill health retired. I earned great money and I was never short of a rattle in my purse . But I became ill , developed a condition and can not work now.
      Enjoy , as far as you can what you do . It sounds to me it can be interesting. Best of luck.

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    • Andrew
      If only that is always the case . I agree on the savings and the health aspects of keeping fit and having regular exercise etc , keeps weight down etc etc . I cycled into work for years and years . So keep up the good work and if you are fortunate , it will stand to you in later life :) \ /

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  • What I don’t get is one week the Credit Unions are saying 1.8m people have less than e100 a month to spend and another week the CSO saying we’re saving more.
    All I know is generally people are only living hand to mouth and they’ll take more off us next month.

    Does the government not get that taking more money off us is only making the while thing worse? If people can’t pay property tax and water they won’t. The people that can barely pay it will throw out Sky or some other luxury having a knock on affect on jobs in that sector.

    Mind boggles..

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    • The CSO looks raw statistical data on income, total net spending, disposable income based on cost of living expenses, total consumer debt etc…

      The Credit Union ASKS people, often over a phone survey, how much money do they THINK they have left over at the end of the month……

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  • I had savings once! Where are you now, Cyril the Squirrel!?!

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  • I must be living in a different Ireland than the people who complied this report. Savings.?

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  • Where and who are the people whose able to spend more?? Young families are STRUGGLING to stay on top of bills and Christmas with young children will be extra hard for them… Savings well if you can save well done you but most of us have had to break into our savings just to food on the table and pat the electric bill to put it there. Saving us a luxury that most of us by now and struggling to hold on to some dignity.And them they come out within dribble and make us feel more inadequate about where have we gone wrong… Well I did not go wrong I did not over borrow I do not over indulge in big cars or big home I bought my own home for the security for my family and the security in my old age but now my home is nit my own anymore since I am being forced to pay a rent on it
    I wish that some if these reports would come and walk in my shoes

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  • Same here David , I am not being negative just honest .

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  • just in time for budget 2013, coincidence? I think not.

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  • Savings and disposable income up…. There’s got to be a negitive side to that. Just let me try and think of one.

    That’s bad because of the… uhh recessionay… immigration.. trend towards… banker over compensation in the german…banking….bank of TD Allowences.

    Yes, yes… that’ll work. Either way it’s bad, BAD, BAD for the ordinary Irish public like me, who are struggling to buy Tayto and hunkering down in the basement just waiting for the world to end.

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  • Resel 09/11/12 #

    Hush…. If the government hears this before budget day.

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  • I am sure that lots of people will post negative comments about this. The Irish must be the only people who view good news as bad news.

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    • Judging from the comments those posting are saying they don’t have the opportunity to save and are struggling to keep things together. Don’t think I’d view those comments as being negative. Just the observation that for many people trying to save is a thing of the past.

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    • Kerry, we must look at the wider picture. An improvement will not affect everybody at exactly the same time. I am happy if my neighbour’s situation is improving – I know that my time will come. Wishing for something that you do not have causes unhappiness. If we spent more time appreciating what we do have we would be a lot happier.

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    • I would agree that I wish my neighbours all the best. However I don’t see any of my neighbours situation improving quite the contrary. I just feel this might be just more spin before a difficult budget. Government saying we are doing better and can afford to pay more when this is not the reality. I love your optimism but refuse to bury my head in the sand.

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    • Patrick Lyons
      Your sneers do nothing to lift my spirit , My neighbours are as broke as I am.
      I have to pay my car tax this month , How ? And I budget ,but my son was ill last week and the doctors bill @ €60 has left me short, That will be coming out of the food bill. I am not entitled to the medical card. I do not begrudge the doctor his money but how is it in the UK people can see their docs for free and get their meds for free ?

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    • No sneer intended Eileen. I would like to have a car but I just accept that it is out of the question at the moment. I cycle everywhere and I am happy that I can afford a bicycle. No tax, no petrol, no insurance and no expensive repairs. I am healthier and happier than many car owners. There are many poorer people around the world who could not afford a bicycle. Cars are a relatively new invention – people survived without them before and they can do again. Always look on the bright side!

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    • Patrick
      I can not cycle , I need my car to get around or I would be house bound . If I could get out to cycle I would be very happy . I am not apologising for having a car to aid my mobility ,nor am I asking any one to pay for it . I could do with out the expense to be sure but such is my life . I bought it when I could afford it and paid for it . I had a good job and due to ill health I had to retire I am not yet fifty and I miss work . But my lot is not a bad lot . However I draw the line at having to look at the bigger picture when we ordinary decent working peoiple did nothing wrong .Yet we still have to pay the price . There are swindlers and fraudsters living on 500,000 euros a year . The same people who were meant to be looking after business and retired with these exorbitant pensions. I would have to work 30 years to earn 500,000 euros that they get in one year. There is something wrong with that picture.

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    • Same as me Patrick… You also got to factor in that cycling will pay dividends later in life when you’re fit and healthy in your 40s… won’t be off work, missing job opportunities and blowing all your €€€ on medical treatment

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  • The “household” in the term “household savings” is very misleading

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