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Michael Noonan with his Italian counterpart Vittorio Grilli at a meeting of EU finance ministers this week. Virginia Mayo/AP/Press Association Images

11 EU nations get go-ahead for 'Robin Hood tax', Ireland not among them

Concerns about jobs at the IFSC are among the reasons that Ireland has not signed up to implementing a levy on financial transactions despite Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Germany and France all doing so.

EUROZONE FINANCE MINISTERS have agreed to implement the so-called ‘Robin Hood Tax’, a small levy on financial transactions that is seen by many as a way of making the financial sector pay for the economic crisis.

European finance ministers yesterday gave approval to 11 nations to go-ahead with introducing the tax on financial transactions following an agreement under what is known as “enhanced co-operation”.

This is a measure rarely used that enables a minimum of nine EU nations to work together without the agreement of the entire 27-member bloc.

The tax was initially proposed by France and Germany and they have been joined by Austria, Belgium, Estonia, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain.

Ireland is not among these countries – the only one of the three bailed-out nations not to sign-up – with ministers here previously expressing concern that the introduction of the tax would harm employment prospects with jobs at the IFSC in Dublin seen to be particularly at risk.

Britain has also raised concerns that the tax would not make sense unless implemented on a global level.

Levy

Under the plans, a levy of 0.1 per cent would be placed on the value of any trade in shares or bonds, and 0.01 per cent levy would go on any financial derivative contract.

The 11 countries who have signed up to the measure will now require the European Commission to draft legislation enacting the measure which is also known as the Tobin tax after the economist who formulated it, Nobel laureate James Tobin.

“For the first time ever, the financial transaction tax will be applied at regional level,” said the EU’s tax commissioner Algirdas Semeta.

The tax aims to curb the market excesses that led to the 2008 global financial crisis but the notion failed to gain overall EU support with Britain vocal about concerns that it would harm investment prospects in the City of London.

Oxfam said that “the historic vote” of EU finance ministers sent “a clear message that Europe’s biggest economies are ready to make the financial sector pay to clear up the mess it helped to cause.”

- with reporting from AFP

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    Mute Begrudgy
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:20 PM

    So Europe want to make the financial sector pay for the trouble they caused. Really. Then why is the people of Ireland forced to clean up their mess here. Hypocrites.

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    Mute Kevin McCarthy
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:26 PM

    Hit nail on head!

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    Mute Jason Bourne
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:39 PM

    Because us ‘Paddys’ will pay, unlike other countries.

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    Mute Frank Cluskey
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:27 PM

    Two faced politics

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    Mute rodrigo detriano
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:29 PM

    The bastards in government would rather ordinary people pay. They’d never dream of asking their wealthy, corrupt friends to cough up.

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    Mute John Duggan
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:55 PM

    If introduced, watch as investors abandon the exchanges in these countries followed by the companies listings. 0.1% is a lot if you only make 1% on the share or worse, lose 1% having already paid the .1% to buy it.

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    Mute Eddie Munster
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 7:27 PM

    How can noonan swear an oath with bilderburg while he swears an oath to the Irish people ?

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    Mute Jack Bowden
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 7:45 PM

    I totally agree John Duggan but it’s 0.01% not 0.1%.
    I agree with Britain. It will only work if every country in the world introduced it at the same time.

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    Mute anthony byrne
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 8:20 PM

    You miss the point begrudgery ! The eu want to put a 0.1% tax on institutional financial transactions – I.e. the financial wheeler dealers. But No. Our man whose chewing a wasp in the photo says no – mustn’t tax those fat cats. Well take it from joe pleb instead. Ruling classes protecting their own at the expense on the plebicite.
    Arrrgggghhhh !

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    Mute Carcu Sidub
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:32 PM

    The first move this Government has made in 2 years that is actully looking after jobs all be it in the broken and corrupt financial sector. But then again you cant expect FG not lookout for their cousins can you.

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    Mute Damocles
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:29 PM

    I almost feel sorry for Noonan. He finally stands up to the EU and won’t play ball in order to protect Ireland … and everyone complains.

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    Mute Declan McCabe
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 7:23 PM

    It’s the journal. Everyone complains about everything. Even funny articles on the daily edge are littered with “can’t pay, won’t pay/bondholders/shame on FG/etc….”

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    Mute Orly
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    Jan 24th 2013, 12:22 PM

    I h8 Labour 4lyf

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    Mute werejammin
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:22 PM

    Noonan in his best little britain voice:

    “Bilderbergs says no…..”

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    Mute Stephen Church
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:23 PM

    Luckily, it would be devastating for our multinationals, also Ireland acts as a tax filter for the US, all the us companies would leave

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    Mute Derek Durkin
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:01 PM

    Wheres the proof of that?

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    Mute tom
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:22 PM

    We give too much merit to multinationals who pay little or no taxes themselves. Even with lowest corporation tax they have found loop holes so pay nothing. I reckon these companies unfair advantage is actually hindering more worthy companies setting up. Starbucks would be a good example taking up market share where another company could pay taxes as well as generate taxes.

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    Mute rodrigo detriano
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:29 PM

    Stupid statement Stephen.

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    Mute rodrigo detriano
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:30 PM

    I’ve been trying to make the same point for what seems like forever Tom.

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    Mute Derek Durkin
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:46 PM

    One of the big jesops stores that closed down in England last week put a big sign in the window – You can now buy from Amazon where they pay 1% tax. And people wonder why they pay so many taxes cause the multinationals that can pay, pay little or nothing and are actually subsidised by the taxpayer and that idea that its because they are the job creators has been proven to be pure codswallop.

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    Mute Adrian Bannon
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:11 PM

    Sins of the Father: Tracing the Decisions That Shaped the Irish Economy Conor McCabe
    The questions surrounding how the Irish economy was brought to the brink – who was to blame, and who should pay for these mistakes – have been rightly debated at length. But beyond this very legitimate exercise, there are deeper questions that need to be answered. These questions relate to why we made the decisions we did, not just in the last 10 years, but over the last 80. How did certain industries become prominent at the expense of others, banking as opposed to fisheries, international markets as opposed to indigenous industry and job creation? Are our problems structural in nature, and most importantly, what do we need to know to make sure that this crisis does not happen again? These are the questions set by this book. It looks at the development of the Irish economy over the past eight decades, and will argue that the 2008 financial crisis, up to and including the IMF bailout of 2010 and the subsequent change of government, cannot be explained simply by the moral failings of those in banking or property development alone. The problems are deeper, more intricate, and more dangerous if we remain unaware of them, but also potentially avoidable in the future if we break the cycle.

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    Mute Stephen Church
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:14 PM

    Yeah derek except the problem is that while avoiding corporation tax and rates , all these companies are still paying prsi, their employees are paying prsi , and even with a low percentage they still pay more tax by amount every year than you and your family will in your entire life , and for that they dont get a pension, healthcare, social welfare, rent allowance or anything else personal taxes garner .

    Intel, hp, pfizer, analog devices, cisco, google, ebay, facebook, xerox, apple, sky, united drug, citi group, gsk – they would all dissapear out of ireland if it wasnt for the tax breaks , with high wages and high taxes theres very little keeping them here compared to other eu countries like poland

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:33 PM

    It’s got very little to do with muti nationals, it’s a tax on speculators

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    Mute Derek Durkin
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:46 PM

    @Stephen,Not talking about high taxes for them but if they paid even close to the 12% they should be paying, then things would be a lot easier for everyone. Its not as if they’re broke, corporate profits are at record highs but alas they have to please the almighty market.

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    Mute Stephen Downey
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 9:42 PM

    Where would they go? France? Germany? Belgium? Greece? Estonia? Italy? Austria? Portugal? Greece? Slovenia? etc…

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    Mute IrelandsEye
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:22 PM

    We are already paying well over the odds for the mess. We do not need any additional taxes. What we need to do is implement option one suggested by jpmckenna on the promissory notes http://www.jpmckenna.ie/McKenna-IBRC-Debt-Explained.pdf . This will alleviate some of the pain suffered by the Irish People, help companies stay in business / reducing rates, sustain jobs, less health cuts, less property taxes and hence food on the table of our fellow citizens. A basic right one would have thought?

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    Mute Dermot Purcell
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:37 PM

    BEGRUDY you see our problem was had they let the likes of ANGLO IRISH go it would taken at the time the entire ruling elite down with the bank all would have been bankrupt, and FF were never going to let this happen to them and if people do not believe me ,why has it taken five years to bring fitzpatrick to trial and twenty five million pages stands between him and trial plus we still do not have an open banking enquiry as to what happened with the bank bailout as there is no evidence in kennys office as to what happened that night , if people did not know better this would look like a massive cover up .

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    Mute George Brown
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:08 PM

    Irelands bureaucratic system is purposely slow for people with enough money, power and solicitors. Its not just a problem with corrupt officials, it’s mainly the laws and loopholes they utilize.

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    Mute Michael O'Reilly
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:43 PM

    So Noonan lets the bankers and shareholders away scot free again ?

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    Mute Stephen murphy
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:56 PM

    We are paying the difference, for the Low Corporation Tax. Who’s runnin the Country, Banks or the Government and it’s not the citizens!

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    Mute ThomasFrancisMeagher
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 4:44 PM

    0.1% isn’t going to drive any company out of the IFSC, but it certainly would help the economy.

    The Govt should look at more creative ways to getting this money eg supporting universities & IT’s in return for naming rights to buildings & so on.

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    Mute tom
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:13 PM

    Taxing the less well off is enshrined in FG party it be alien to tax financial institutions who are kicking back drinking bubbly.

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    Mute Maurice Dodd
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:18 PM

    noonan max kaiser clocked your card.

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    Mute Aidan OSullivan
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 10:46 PM

    obviously nobody here has read the FTT proposal, it has extraterroritorial effect!! so Irish and UK and US firms who deal with the EU market will pay it anyway, but now Ireland won’t get the revenue!

    its amazing how much people complain about the financial sector causing the crisis but then believe their lobbying against a modest tax on their sector!

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    Mute Economists Diary
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 7:17 PM

    As much as i would love this to be a good idea, it just isn’t. A financial transactions tax only works if its implemented at a global level. This article explains why in detail -> http://leavesfromaneconomistsdiary.com/2013/01/23/free-riders-be-damned-why-the-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work/

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    Mute Christian MacDonaill
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:33 PM

    Sour head on a sour man

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    Mute Jack Bowden
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 9:00 PM

    What Noonan looks like in the picture is irrelevant. It’s unfair to criticize is looks. He’s a politician not a model or actor.
    I think he stood up for Irelands interests here.

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    Mute Liam Ryan
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    Jan 24th 2013, 8:20 AM

    Yeah!!
    We di it the other way around here……
    Rob from the poor, the sick, the feeble and the infirm, young and old and give directly to the rich.
    Yeah!!!

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    Mute Tús Nua
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 5:47 PM

    this is good news for a change as for the other countries whats to stop the banks from passing this charge on to the consumer

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:31 PM

    the tax is aimed more at speculators but it will only be useful if it’s implented on a global scale, as speculators will operate out of the countries with no tax. It is an effort at stopping speculators deliberately shaping the markets for their own benefits.

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    Mute Virtual Architect
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    Jan 24th 2013, 3:09 PM

    The more we let the elite away with it the more they’ll take. When are the Irish going to stand up for themselves and stop the schoolyard bullies from stealing their lunch money? #wearesaps

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    Mute Al S Macthomais
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:32 PM

    Neutered NOONAN doesn’t have the ability to understand that by having the troika in Ireland makes the stand his is taking just a token gesture.

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    Mute Neil Ward
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 6:49 PM

    Not to be picky, but this isn’t a Robin Hood tax – the idea of the Robin Hood tax is that as well as discouraging excessive market speculation, the proceeds would be diverted to help the developing world – that’s not the case with this model.

    Technically, it’s not a Tobin tax either, which is only a tax on currency transactions, but now I really am nit-picking

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    Mute shay o'reilly
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 7:26 PM

    Now, what’s that Europe actually making a relevant decision , but the article is right, unless its worldwide it won’t work in the longer term

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    Mute Úna O Connor Barrett
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    Jan 23rd 2013, 8:49 PM

    The face on him yuck !!

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    Mute Michael McLoughlin
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    Jan 24th 2013, 4:52 PM
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