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Distressed or distraught? €21,000 reserve put on house at auction

The three-bed semi-d in Donegal, being sold by a receiver, has one of a number of rock-bottom reserves in 30 November firesale.

THE AVERAGE PRICE being asked for a three-bedroomed house in Co Donegal is €130,000 (source: Daft.ie Q3 2011 House Price Report) – and falling.

Despite the continued slide in the average price, the reserve put on one house in an upcoming distressed property auction in Dublin is fairly startling. The three-bedroomed semi-detached home in Convoy, Co Donegal, 14km from Letterkenny, has been marked in the Allsop/Space property auction catalogue as “reserve not to exceed €21,000″. However, buyers should note that the house is occupied by tenants who are currently paying €50 a week for the house and who began a four year nine month tenancy on 22 January 2011.

Allsop/Space have already held three auctions of distressed properties, most of which are being sold by receivers or financial institutions, hence the lower-than-average reserve prices. In the last auction in September, however, one property in Stoneybatter was sold for €1.5 million although its reserve had been a keen €850,000. An apartment with a sea view in Bundoran, Co Donegal went for €42,000 and a derelict house in Wexford went for €30,000 – the two cheapest sales of that day.

The full auction catalogue for the 30 November sale can be viewed online here. Here is a selection of properties due to go under the hammer:

Distressed or distraught? €21,000 reserve put on house at auction
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  • Two-bed apartment, Mullingar. Reserve: €25,000

  • Mid-terrace building, Ballsbridge, D4. Reserve: €485,000

  • 3-bed semi-d house, Old Cratloe Rd, Limerick. Reserve: €90,000

  • Industrial unit, Naas, Co Kildare. Reserve: €77,500

  • 4-bed end of terrace, Enniscorthy, Wexford. Reserve: €26,000

  • 456 North Circular Road, D7. Reserve: €205,000

  • 3-bed detached house, Skibbereen, Cork. Reserve: €135,000

  • Public house, Drogheda, Louth. Reserve: €100,000

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  • It’s sad to think that behind everyone of of those sensational distressed prices there’s probably a distressed person or family. It seems that only cashed up investors are the beneficiaries. I wonder though if we’ll see as much mattress money out again at this auction since the government is planning to increase the tax take from investors (prsi on unearned income)

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    • The Vultures will be out in force at this auction. Buying up families homes from an English Auctioneer (as our own refused en mass as a matter if principle).

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    • Why does it matter whether it’s an English seller?

      Bigot.

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    • Because Jump, any Irish estate agent going near these fire sales would need an army escort.

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    • Michael said English Auctioneer,we don’t need these type of people in our Country preying off our Distressed Community’s like Vultures.

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    • Jon the Anti-Eviction Taskforce and assist familys under the threat of Repossession ‘Eviction’. http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/AntiEvictionTaskforce

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    • Well Jump, Im just stating a fact. The houses are being sold by an English Auctioneer. How does that make me a Bigot?

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    • An irish auctioneer with principle,, now there’s a novelty

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    • The “vultures “that are coming out now are only prudent sparrows compared to the vultures that are reponsible for the present calamaity. Nobody was crying out for a cap on the price of land, developers profits, builders wages, auctioneers fees, tax take being spent on public sector pay etc. Not forgetting the wannabe vultures that bought and built stuff they had no idea of how it might be paid for
      People with cash to spend/lend/invest are the ones that are going to get things moving again

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    • Little late but don’t care have to say this even tho if anyone sees it i’ll get thumbs down. We’re all in this together, it’s happening to everyone even those who aren’t selling(Like my family) know our house isn’t worth what it was but it’s the whole country so no point in moaning, shit happens in life we just have to build a bridge and get over it. I’m not afraid to admit that if house prices go up before I buy down the line i won’t buy until it comes down to this again, morally wrong or not it puts me in a better standing in the long run as I could be buying a house at auction with a reserve price of €90k and probably get it for less than €150k which will eventually go up again to like €250,000-€300,000 I can sell that and buy in somewhere like Leitrim where houses are always generally cheap. Someones misery is someones luck, it’s just how life works especially in our roller coaster economy whether we like it or not. I’d capitalize no matter what people thought maybe it’s morally wrong but it’s also common sense, sometimes they conflict and we have to choose the option best for us.

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  • People close to me berated me for not taking on a mortgage during the boom years – I just couldn’t get my head around the figures and the uncertainty of having to pay back such a vast sum and I am no economist. I remember hearing Eddie Hobbes and David Mc Williams saying ‘don’t buy’ – its not true that there was no good advice available during these years.

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  • James Doyle, why would the gov stop the downward spiral? I didnt see them stopping the upward spiral……

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  • I was sitting with a group of friends who don’t have mortgages and someone commented how lucky we are now and how suddenly it all changed – those who seemed on top are now the ones in trouble and we who seemed worse off had a lucky escape. People had the appearance of wealth but no real wealth during the boom. I remember my father pointing out that it was strange how young mothers were driving kids to school in suv’s and saying that things weren’t right. I have some sympathy for people – being put out of your home is horrible as any renter who is given short notice from a landlord knows. If the mortgage holders can be be allowed to stay in their homes and rent them back at the local authority rates though they will still have better rates of rent than those of us renting from private landlords.

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  • Well Alan it’s as simple as this I’m in negative equity,I’ve been unemployed the last twelve months,I was let go in the construction trade makin my builder all his money,I’ve banks banging on my door threatening me that I’m goin to court to take the house off me,I’ve put every last cent to keep a roof over my head for me my wife and children,I bought in 2007,when times were good and the handing out mortgages like sweets to a child,I would give my right arm to get out and break even on the house,I don’t see anyone in government stepping in to control it.to be honest I’m f**ked I’m sure I’m not the only one,people can’t sleep at night with financial stress,dies that answer your question Alan!

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    • And I suppose that you never considered the fact that you could loose your job or that the value of your house could drop when you took out the mortgage?

      What about people that have the resources to buy now? Should they be prevented from getting the best value for their money in order that you get bailed out?

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    • Of course you should buy while homes are cheap, but buying a repossessed home is morally wrong, in my mind anyway.

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    • @Michael Hegarty, Morally wrong, do you ever think that buying cheap products in the supermarket might be wronging a supplier somewhere along the chain, or that imported goods might be exploiting third world workers.
      when house were overpriced, as they still are, only those about to buy one considered them overpriced, 2 minutes after signing they also wanted the price to go up.

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    • Silent P 28/11/11 #

      Some Horrible people on here kicking a hard working man when he is down. Hate that attitude. All you did was try to buy a house. Not your fault the whole market was inflated by government, banks and estate agents. Hope things work for you..

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  • Jim Bob,, ” I suppose you never considered the fact that you could lose your job”, , Like a lot of other people me included,,The Banks were literally throwing money at us,,Now to a logical thinker,and bearing in mind that a commonly used phrase was ” As safe as the Bank”, Banks up to then were not known for any kind of recklesssnes, if they said it was ok, well then it must have been, Bertie and Cowen, and McCreevy before them said it was ok,,we elected them to oversee the operation of our economy ,remember the ” They should go and commit suicide ” debacle. People who are young and with kids only ever wanted a place to call home, and at the rate the prices were rising they felt they had to move quickly, egged on by Govt and Financial institutions.
    Value for money is a good thing,, But to prey and eploit the misery of your fellow man is just reducing yourself to the level of greed that has brought us to our knees. It may not be a moral dilemma for some of us,it is for me. A divide and conquer strategy will only work for so long , but you should always keep in your mind what will happen when the little people unite. We seem to have forgotten the lessons of history,,,again.

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  • Jim bob your a heartless c**t,looks like I’m the only one in this country that lost my job house in negative equity and now might get taken off me,where’s my god dam bank bailout,big golden handshake,yeas the market is good now for young buyers,but what have I got?nothing but hardship for life,I look into my children’s eyes and see what good life I can give to them

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    • There are people in the world far worse off than yourself. People homeless and hungry, people forced in to slavery all over the world. I think YOU should stop to think about that for a while. Maybe then you’ll realise that you’re not so badly off.

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    • And what do u think is happening here JimBob..and what do you think it will be like after the next few budgets..do u think it is right that hospitals are closing so we pay for the Rothschilds unguarenteed private debts!!!!!!! people are having to make the choice..pay the mortgage or feed the kids!!!!

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    • JimBob – and how do you think some of the people you talk about got to be homeless and hungry? In these times as a nation we need to be pulling together and helping out those in difficulties – and pointing out that there are people far worse off does nothing for James.

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  • When is the market ever goin to bottom out and start returning slowly.there is no plan or anything to stop this down ward trend,the government and banks are intent on strangling house prices

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    • High house prices and economic growth are not related. I would much prefer to see young people with reasonable mortgages, that have an element of freedom to move around the country, start their own businesses, spend in the local economy. Basically live normal, productive and hopefully rewarding lives. Paying 1800 a month for a house tends to limit that somewhat.

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    • There are some people here in Ireland who didn’t get involved in the Celtic tiger madness and managed to save a few pounds,and are only able to buy a property now,so not everyone who buys now is not a vulture,believe it or not there a a few people left in the country who don’t live by a credit card.

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    • Buying the Allsopp houses is morally wrong. These are repossessed homes of parents and children. Buying from your high street estate agent at market value is alot more desireable in my mind, where you can now get great value.

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    • the market cannot be manipulated to bottom out by antbody, it’s sales like this that will bring reality to bear , however much the vested intersts E.G , auctioneers dont like it. house prices going up are not going to fix the economy. peole need to realise the ” GOSH, LOOK HOW MUCH OUR HOUSE IS WORTH ” show is over

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    • High street agent, very english term

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    • Michael, How do you define ‘Market Value’?

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  • The government were warned from 2005 and they let this happen, they are compliant in the situation that people have found themselves in and are responsible, the Irish constitution states article45 2. iv That in what pertains to the control of credit the constant and predominant aim shall be the welfare of the people as a whole. They not only failed in this, they were compliant by not giving people the information that the bubble was going to burst, they exposed us to the ‘moral hazard’ of the banks and are making us pay for private bondholders debts..the list of unsecured anglo bondholders include the Rothschilds and investment companies whose customers can afford to invest over €2million.
    This is not the odd person getting into trouble…THERE ARE 550 MORE REAL PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES GETTING INTO TROUBLE EVERY WEEK…..yes EVERY WEEK 550 MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    after this budget this number will increase and over the next few budgets!!!!
    I am hanging in by the skin of my teeth..who knows what will happen when the next budget bites..my husband is working all hours, but we are the working poor, we did not buy a big house, car, go on holidays etc, did not buy into the celtic tiger at all..but…compared to a 3 years ago we are down thousands and do not have anymore to give…and there are plenty more like myself.

    Another horrible statistic 1 in 5 people are in trouble..again real people and families…look around you..most people are too asdhamed to say they are in trouble…1 in 5!!!! your friends and families homes could end up in this auction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • The banks are flooding the market with cheap property, killing any chance of (small though it was) for a distressed mortgage holder to try to sell up to clear their mortgage. There needs to be legislation brought in here to protect the market preventing banks from selling repossessions until things pick up. There can be no recovery until this happens, just mo and more repossessions followed by more fire sales and the circle continues.

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    • It is called setting the base. Stopping the spiral down would be frankly as criminal as stoking it on the way up. The quicker they settle at a base, the quicker that they can grow again, people will pile back in, there is a lot of pent up demand there at the moment.

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    • For once I’m agreeing 100% with Tim Henchin. A base can only be found when all available housing is put on the market. This does screw a hell of a lot of people true, but the demand is there from new home buyers, who simply will not buy until the stable base is found. I see it as the silver lining to the debt cloud that is hanging over the generation who are now 15 to 25 years old. There accomodation costs for their lifetimes will have been greatly reduced if they play their cards right.

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    • So th e banks continue to repossess and sell below the cost of the mortgages secured on them, people with distressed mortgages are neither able to sell nor make the repayments, the bank can’t get it’s money back either ways, enter Mr. Taxman for another bailout. Money comes out of the economy in terms of austerity taxing in order to prop up the banks, people who were just about making their mortgage payments now can’t as a result of additional taxation and cuts and another batch of mortgages enter the market below the cost of the mortgages…..this is a vicious circle, and whilst I take your point that a base needs to be set, this is not the way to do it. It needs to be controlled so tht at least someone is left standing at the end.

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    • I think calling it ‘flooding the market’ is a little excessive. There are only a handful of these, none even in Cork for example. The market is if anything, tending towards undersupplied, unless you count ghost estates. The only people selling are banks, and the deceased.

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    • Iain, artificial interventions in the property market in the form of tax incentives etc are some of the reasons we are in the mess we are in, and introducing another set now, for whatever reasons, will not fix anything. Buyers will only return when they think the bottom of the market has been reached – so the sooner the better. Then demand will pick up again and we can get back to a normal market.

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  • Ireland is shagged, Banks are ignoring people that are really struggling, giving interest only options to mortgagee’s ongoing etc, is not addressing the issue that people that bought at the peak and now find themselves jobless are really in trouble. These mortgages should be reduced to market value. The only way out seems to be to hand back the keys to the bank or to wait for the bank to ask for them back. A write down of debt on unsustainable mortgages for people that have lost their jobs, is too much to bear for a lot of Irish people that HAVE NOT found themselves in the same predicament. The words “debt forgiveness” are deliberately used as the words conjure up IMAGES in most peoples minds a stream of people being let off the hook for something, followed with the internal question “what about me??, I did everything by the book all me life, I didnt have a holiday in 5 years bla bla bla…” It is very difficult for some people that have found themselves out of work like this and cant pay for the roof over their heads besides having a stream of hate projected from people who are lucky enough to be in a position to be still paying tax. If you are paying tax, you still have a job!! Begrudge Begrudge Begrudge… Ireland never changed.

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  • The man organizing the eviction auction is named Stephen McCarthy, he is the boss of Space Properties, Space and Allsop jumped into bed together to make a killing from selling the homes of families that have been evicted.
    Allsop Space Ltd have their registered office in 22-24 Foley Street Dublin 1.
    I find it sad that people commenting on this post cannot agree on the fact that it is morally wrong for anyone to be made homeless while their are over 300,000 empty premises in the country.
    At the moment the Irish deficit is €22.1billion, so far the banks have been given €24.4 billion, you do the maths!!!
    The banks are being paid from every person that earns or spends a cent in Ireland and the are robbing us all blind, the increases in the upcoming budget is to pay bond holders, those increases would not be needed if it was not for a few mega wealthy industrial financiers losing their bets and the working/middle class are left to pay for them. 293,000 fewer people employed than this time last year because people cannot spend as they should in order to keep shops and small business open, 135,000 people made redundant in 2010 alone and you can be sure that a lot of those people had mortgages…. Is it right that they should lose their home? The banks need to pay back what they are getting and nobody is asking will they repay the money to the Irish people that they are taking. Irish children are being denied the education that we could afford to give them, Senior citizens are being denied the care they worked hard all of their lives for, everybody is being denied the health service that we pay PRSI for, infra structure developments have been put on hold, food has gone up, fuel has gone up, taxes have gone up and the only thing gone down is take home pay. More and more people are finding it hard to pay their mortgages and we should be united with them in our disgust at how every single one of us is being robbed by the government to give our money for our resources to foreign bond holders and the foreign investors that we are continuing to bail out. Stop Evictions, Stop Repossessions!!!!!

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  • ANYONE!!!..that would enable the financial elite to evict couples & children or indeed anyone for that matter!!…is a LOW LIFE!!!! British or not???? read your history!!!!!..our people were evicted as well as starved by the Brits before….are WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN??????????..have we any morality or sense of justice in this country????

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    • People had no qualms about selling overpriced shacks for sterling when things were good.

      Can you put me in touch with some Irish landlords that will let out property for free

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    • Oh I get it now – all of these properties are own by Brits and they are one again stamping down on us – 800 years an all that old guff! Its an awful pity that irish people hadn’t been able to buy property – what a difference that would have made. How could I have been so blind to the real reasons behind our woes.

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