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Dental sector could face loss of up to 1,000 jobs this year

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THE IRISH DENTAL sector could be facing job losses of up to 1,000 workers in the coming year, according to the results of a new survey showing that the majority of practices saw falling profits in 2011.

Almost half of dental practices surveyed said they had recorded a fall in turnover of over 20 per cent last year, and the same number said they expected turnover to fall again in the coming year.

One in four of the 300 dentists questioned said they believed their practice would reduce staff numbers in the coming year – with dentists, hygienists, technicians, receptionists and administration staff all at risk of being laid-off.

The survey, carried on behalf of the Irish Dental Association by Omega Financial Management, found that 20 per cent of dentists currently wish to sell their practice – but that nobody wants to buy.

IDA Chief Executive Fintan Hourihan said the findings showed how the recession and the cutbacks to dental schemes were impacting businesses: “We have already seen two thousand job losses over the last two years and if a quarter of dentists say they are looking at reducing staff numbers that translates into 1,000 job losses. If the Government is serious about dental health and growing employment they will take action now,” he said.

Those at the beginning of their careers are also facing a grim future in Ireland, Hourihan said, with only ”half a dozen or so” of the 70 young dentists who graduated in 2011 finding employment in the country.

“Most of the class of 2011 emigrated to the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Many established dentists are also being forced to emigrate or work part-time in the UK to supplement reduced work in Ireland,” he continued. “These dentists have been educated and funded in large measure by tax payers and now they are being trained for emigration even though the need for dentists to care for and treat patients has never been greater.”

John O’Connor of Omega Financial Management noted many dentists have had to adjust their retirement plans, with 40 per cent now expecting to have to work until at least the age of 70.

“The main reasons for this are falling turnovers, the collapse in the value of surgery buildings and insufficient levels of pension funding. These challenges are being exacerbated by falling numbers entering the profession and setting up new practices, making it more difficult for those wishing to retire to do so” O’Connor said.

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  • Darren Parslow 13/02/12 #
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    Hello Dental Industry, it’s a recession!! Reduce your prices, dramatically!

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  • Cpm 13/02/12 #
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    That bites

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  • Norman Hunter 13/02/12 #
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    If they reduced their prices business might improve.Dentists local to my area average for extraction is 100 euro.

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    • Gareth Fletcher 13/02/12 #
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      Completely agree, they should reduce their prices, but I would encourage people not to stay loyal to those who overcharge. Smiles charge €65 for an extraction which is still too expensive but compared to what you paid that is a pretty big saving right there. Having said that I was out there yesterday and got two fillings, took less than 20 minutes at a cost of €70 per filling, you would think it might have cost €70 for the first and €40 for the second, considering it probably only took an extra couple of minutes to do the second one anyway.

    • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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      I ordered two chicken dishes at a resteraunt the other day, they both cost 10 euro, you’d think the second one would’ve costed 6 euro, they had the oven on anyway sure!

    • Gareth Fletcher 13/02/12 #
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      Hardly like for like but I will reply, but let me use your way of thinking. If I called an electrician out to fit a socket on my wall he might charge me €50, if I asked him to fit another socket whilst there, it is very unlikely he would want an extra €50 for doing so.

      Oh, restaurants are doing whatever they can to stay afloat, special offers etc. Maybe if the dental industry did the same they wouldn’t be crying about the loss of a further 1000 jobs.

    • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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      I take it you didnt hear about the ‘fiver friday’ dentists then, or the special offers on whitening, or the living social, or grab one deals from dentists are running that come into my inbox nearly day?

      Google it. I’m not trying to be smart here but your generalizations are simply untrue.

    • Gareth Fletcher 13/02/12 #
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      You attempted to be smart with your initial comment, I don’t feel I have made sweeping generalisations, in fact I think I pointed out a huge difference in price between Smiles Dental Surgery and the original contributors Dental Surgery. I will admit I have never seen anything about dentists and fiver Friday, and if there are some dentists getting involved in those type of initiatives they should be commended and hopefully there reward will be returning clientele.

      As for the deals, how often do you see those deals offering extractions or fillings? they generally are only offers for polishing/whitening.

    • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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      Right. So you knew of special offers when you said:

      ”Oh, restaurants are doing whatever they can to stay afloat, special offers etc. Maybe if the dental industry did the same they wouldn’t be crying about the loss of a further 1000 jobs.”

      But, the special offers that you obviously have seen aren’t the ”right” offers to be included in your assessment?

    • Gareth Fletcher 13/02/12 #
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      Yes I am aware of cosmetic deals being offered by some surgeries, obviously these are not enough and you guys need to try harder or there will be job losses hence this article, hence this debate.

    • Dukezeal 14/02/12 #
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      http://www.livingsocial.com/cities/513/deals/240028-dental-examination-scale-and-polish-and-x-ray

      Well will you look at that. Dental exam (non cosmetic), cleaning (non cosmetic, unless you dont believe in gum disease?), and xray (non cosmetic).

    • Gareth Fletcher 14/02/12 #
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      Good for you.

  • Alan Larkin 13/02/12 #
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    Filling Before PRSI cut = ~€30 After prsi cut = €80 !!! People can’t afford to go to the dentist any more!!!

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  • Alan Quinn 13/02/12 #
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    I paid 80 euros! and it fell out after 4 weeks. I’ll be back on hear to bad mouth them if I don’t get it done again. No pun intended.

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  • Peter 66 13/02/12 #
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    No sympathy for an industry that think they can go on charging rates that are not value for money & I include doctors surgeries also, €60 for 3 minutes & getting to see him 40 minute after appointment time.

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  • jimbo 13/02/12 #
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    Loss of profit?
    we will be all loosing teeth due to the high cost here…

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  • Anne Toner 13/02/12 #
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    How about bringing your prices in line with other countries and becoming a bit competitive. There’s plenty of work needs doing but you need to make it affordable

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  • Fiona Barrett 13/02/12 #
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    The PRSI cut in dental treatments must be a big factor here. Government really need to rethink this as I for one am not going to dentist as regularly as I should due to only qualifying for 1 check up a year, cleaning was covered now costs at least €50 & any further treatments now cost too much.

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  • Raf ⚡ 13/02/12 #
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    Don’t they see the competition? You can fly to another (e.g. East European) country, pay the fare, hotel, first-class dentist, have a fun weekend and still save on your dental bills.

    Be loyal to your local patients and don’t rip them off if you want them to be loyal to you.

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  • John Murray 13/02/12 #
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    No sympathy for them whatsoever. Yet they will still blame people travelling to the north for dental work!! But guess what ITS CHEAPER!!!!

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  • Grant Grieve 13/02/12 #
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    I go to the North for my dentistry to be done as this country is one big rip off.

    Why should I put my hard earned cash into something that is completely inflated in price?

    The local Dentist in my village is still managing to drive around in a 2011 7 series BMW…must be hard to have to degrade himself with JUST a 2011 model. Not with my money pal!

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    • P Wurple 13/02/12 #
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      Guess I’ll be going against the grain and get a few red thumbs, but isn’t going to other countries for dental work a bit of an odd comparison? Their beer is cheaper too. Minimum wage for their employees is cheaper, rent for the building is cheaper, public insurance is cheaper etc. Of course they are cheaper. If you do go there, where do you get your aftercare if something goes wrong?

      And as for set price lists up outside the door, I’m no dentist, but I would have thought that this is not quite like ordering off a menu. Everyone’s mouth is different, and some extractions (for example) would be a lot more complicated to do than others. These are people who administer anaesthetics, and do mini-surgery in your mouth. I’d like mine done properly please, so I don’t have a bigger problem needing a root canal in 5 years, rather than the cheapest I can find. A race to the bottom isn’t always good practice.

  • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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    Well I hope the nurses, secretaries, lab technicians, material suppliers and many others (and yes, probably some less established, young graduate dentists) involved in the dental industry here in ireland will enjoy the comments below this article hurrah’ing their job losses.

    Why are people jeering at job losses in small and medium enterprise in this country?

    The job losses come from cutbacks in what the government covers your dental work for, things you already pay for. You paid PRSI in 2010, you paid the same in 2011, and yet it gives you less. You paid your taxes and got medical card cover for the needy in 2010, and again in 2011 you got less cover, for more people, for more taxes paid!

    Stick it to the government for taking what people paid for away, rather than complaining that the actual cost of these procedures is passed on to patients!

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    • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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      Also, the person in the file x-ray badly needs some fillings in the upper right.

      They better book their flight to poland I guess..

  • louise 13/02/12 #
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    Eat that

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  • Frank2521 13/02/12 #
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    I just hope the people who travel up north for their shopping, dental work , clothes, cars, household goods, machinery, etc like Derek Mooney promotes on public radio – that they go north when they need a doctor, hospital, fireman, Garda etc as they are giving their taxes to the UK. These people should go get a job up north – but the wages and rents etc are much less up there do they want everybody else to support their greed. These people are taking their neighbours tax to pay for the roads they use to travel up north and think that they are cute! I am surprised Derek mooney gets support by the local advertisers on RTE ? Yet he keeps getting more work – I suppose Dumphy will be on the Sports for RTE after his despicable comment recently.

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  • Karl O Flynn 13/02/12 #
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    Tuff shit!!!! They have been ripping us off for Years. Without the gov subsidy people just can’t afford to go anymore. Austerity bites!!

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  • Travors 13/02/12 #
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    I’ve spent 950 quid on the same tooth in the last 6 months and it’s not even crowned. My parents are loosing their teeth because they simply cannot afford the cost of a visit. Next time I need work done, I’m heading to Belfast. Dentists in northern Ireland seem to be able to charge reasonable prices and still make money. Something doesn’t add up here.

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    • Dukezeal 13/02/12 #
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      Travors to answer the question. Northern irish dentists get a large subsidy for their work and set up costs from the N.I. government. Couple this with the generally lower cost of living/employment and you have the answer.

      Incidentally, the prices in northern ireland, last time I checked, were roughly the same as my practices costs (outside of dublin). The gap is far smaller than it appears or is reported.

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