Private would stand side by side with public if yous actually stood up against the very waste ans imcompetance instead of accepting it in the hope that someday it could be you with te cushy number they have

Jay that comment is simply idiotic.
It is not up to the lower paid public servants to get rid of wasteful management and incompetence.

Its not up to you to get rid of them but yet you k ow they are there and conplain because your getting wage cuts while they are sittin back doin sfa if people in my job did nothing ans i was told i was gettin cut the first thing that would come up would be the deadwood but in the ps those jobs are acceptable

Jay management have their own bosses who should be able to identify when they are useless, as a worker I can generalise here about their stupidity but am not qualified to assess how bad they really are, aim your ire at the right people

Im not aiming my anger anywhere my point is dont complain about cost saving cuts to your wage when you accept in efficent wage speds on people who dont work
You get what you deserve if you dont stand up against the waste

Unions bosses in catch 22. Useless incompetent workers still pay their union dues and deserve representation. Not the unions job to weed out the deadwood. Not saying useless incompetents should not be got rid of – they should.

I hope the Unions are demanding cuts in politicians, pay/perks/pensions and numbers in return! A politician, getting a pension for life after one term and at pre-retirement ages. Is madness, to say the least and make them have a private pension scheme!

Most sensible statement so far(ps frontline myself)

U KNOW THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. PEOPLE ON THE FRONT LINE CANT SPEAK OUT AS U WOOD LOOSE UR JOB. SO WHAT CAN THE FRONT LINERS DO?

Brilliantly different view

That union leader has always been about feathering his own nest he has sold nurses short time and time again with his posturing to the government. It’s time they voted him out or changed unions.

could someone ell me now much does Mr Doran an all the other unions leaders earn. does any one know?.

Roughly between €100,000-€150,000 standard for top union officials in 2011 the INMO charges its members more than for instance SIPTU and does not give strike pay.

There are civil servants that do FA and are just cruising to retirement, on good wages and great pensions. Can’t be sacked even though they are lazy, incompetent, useless wasters.
Just look at Dublin VEC that won contract to pay students, they failed miserably at fulfilling the terms of the contract, will any be sacked, not a chance!

Pony senior mgt have shown themselves to incompetent, what you suggest should have been done at the start of this crisis

Workers all over the developed world fought long and hard for trade unions and now some of ye want them gone. Have a look at how apple get their products made by Foxconn and watch how the race to the bottom will begin here without unions.

You weren’t given a referendum on 69 billion why would you get one for 1 billion.

As a public sector worker I agree with some of the comments above. Yes weed out the wasters who are there merely for the guaranteed money every week.

Those of us who actually do our jobs shouldn’t be stereotyped with these people or suffer pay cuts because of them.

How can that be done without any cooperation from the unions? In fact there would be direct confrontation to prevent ANY progress in this direction.

Dawn, I have no problem with civil servants that work effectively and honestly, if you are long in CS you must see the lazy and incompetent wasters that hide behind the safety net of unions, these are the ones that drive me nuts.
I have been dealing directly with various branches of CS for years now and the incompetence and arrogance of some state employees is incredible.
Remove the safety net of unsackable employees and dump the deadwood.

We were only talking about this in work. Those of us who actually do our jobs would have no problem with performance related contracts as in you don’t work ya lose your job end off.

I’m in front line services so while we do have some wasters its no where near as bad as other sections of the public service

No one in the public service is unsackable, if you break disciplinary codes you can eventually be sacked if warranted. I think people are confusing redundancy with sacking. It’s currently not possible to make staff redundant but they can always be sacked, once they do something seriously wrong. To make staff redundant you must demonstrate that the work they are doing is no longer required.

Rod, I would like to see somebody that is lazy, inefficient and useless sacked, not laid off.