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Central Bank paper suggests house prices have ‘over-corrected’

A research paper tries to examine why Irish house prices keep falling – and suggests the drop has gone too far.

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A NEW REPORT commissioned by the Central Bank of Ireland has suggested that the value of Irish homes has now “overcorrected” by between 12 and 26 per cent.

The conclusion comes in a report written by Gerard Kennedy and Kieran McQuinn on the subject of why Irish house prices have continued to fall.

The research suggests that a number of factors have come together to cause the continued fall in prices, though continuing low levels of consumer confidence have largely been responsible.

“Investor confidence, a key driver in a buoyant market, has been critically impaired and will likely take some time to recover,” the report suggests.

Furthermore, the natural inclination for a financial system to deleverage after a significant credit bubble is compounded in the Irish market, where financial institutions are obliged to reduce their balance sheets in order to achieve a more stable funding profile.

The report states that as of the third quarter of last year, the overall drop in Irish housing prices – at 44 per cent from their peak – was second only to the 1990s housing crisis in Japan, where prices had fallen by 49 per cent.

CSO stats produced last week showed, however, that the average Irish residential property had now fallen by 49 per cent, the same level as seen in Japan during that time.

Kennedy and McQuinn note, however, that Ireland’s housing collapse has been borne out significantly quicker than that of Japan: Irish house prices have now been in decline for 18 quarters, compared to Japan where prices fell for 82 consecutive quarters.

“A growing array of evidence suggests that the difficulty in providing mortgage finance in the Irish market is having a contractionary impact on market activity and price levels,” they conclude.

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  • Where were the central bank reports when it was inflated by 60%?

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  • From the property pin. I remember attending macro economic lectures for a masters course, a number of years back as the crash was just starting to unfold. The lecturer was a deputy divisional head (now divisional head) in Central Bank. We were having a heated exchange in regard to why Central Bank were releasing upbeat forecasts when it was plain to see to anyone doing the analysis that market was starting to tank.

    What I/we got back was a wry smile and a statement to the effect that the central banks core mandate is stability and as such all statements should attempt to not startle the market etc. etc.

    Essentially the central bank has Vested Interest in trying to calm the market and instill confidence, as such this release should be taken with an ocean full of salt.

    Keep an eye on the CSO residential property figures. When we have a YOY increases for > 12 months there’s some change that market has recovered. You’ll miss the very cheapest of the market but you don’t want to risk buying before it hits bottom and catch that falling knife. Always buy when market is increasing.

    Also keep an eye on mortgage lending figures. Wait till they’re increasing by at least 2-3% YOY for 1 year also.

    Ignore all current reports which are trying to make positive from the fact that for 1 month (out of 5 years) house prices haven’t decreased. 1 month is to sensitive in a normal market, let alone a stalled market with low sales.

    Unfortunately the way the world works it’s in still in most peoples interest for house prices to increase, thus there’s an overwhelming tendency for positive rubbish spin to support this. Most people who vet these reports are 50′s plus with houses paid for.

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  • The problems in Europe are only just starting. The Derivative debt isn’t even mentioned. The mountain of Sh1te heading for the fan is so big that they won’t even whisper about its existence until they can get as much blood from the public as possible. There just isn’t enough money in the world to cover he debts. The bottom is a whole new level not seen in generations.

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    • Spot on ed
      Our banks have been given money to sort out the mortgage debt problem but held on to the cash our now pillar banks which we own are zombie black holes sucking the blood and life out if this economy slowly while enda hopes china will buy all the silverware this eu is a joke

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  • I’m sure it will be a soft landing.

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  • Just because it’s close to Japans bottom levels is hardly a justification for over correction. I thought it was demand and supply that determined the price and yes credit availability may be a factor, I would have thought that a large stock of unsold houses, buyers of future emigrating and high unemployment would define the demand and hence the prices.

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  • Now here something new a financial organisation giving us property advice……would ya go and swing we ain’t listening again…..thanks all the same.

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  • Over corrected- whats that?. Prices fallen too much.

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    • From irrational exuberance to irrational despondency.

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    • Yeah over corrected from a false peak of false credit which means absolutely nothing! Until houses get back to 1994 values only then will the bottom come. We are currently 1999/2000 prices. Will the media just give it a rest and stop with the obsession with property! It’s so pathetic to anyone else watching how disgustingly obsessed irish are with houses. The worst part is we have some of the ugliest and over priced houses in the world and I’ve seen most of it.

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    • Begrudgy…
      Not low enough.
      And I am saying this because I am comparing houseprices between Ireland and countries like Germany, France etc.
      I was in Germany recently and was very surprised at the apparently low houseprices compared to here.
      And I have to add that German building standards appeared far superior.
      There is something not right in the Irish housing market.
      We have to totally disregard what property might have been worth during the celtic tiger.

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    • There’s more to come since the banking system is still blown to pieces, and the only apparent solution on offer is more belt tightening.

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    • Floodzie 30/04/12 #

      Begrudgy – prices have a LOT further to fall.

      In Canada they use the following calculation to work out the value of a property:

      Yearly Rent x 14

      Simple. Some even say it should be closer to 10 x Yearly Rent.

      So, a 1 bedroom house or apartment in Dublin 6, would probably rent for about 800 – 1000 Euros a month.

      1000 x 12 x 14 = 120,000 (this is the high estimate). Houses and apartments like this are currently for sale on myhome.ie for 127,000 to 200,000.

      So still some way to go.

      Also, we have no idea what property charges and taxes will be like in 5 or 10 years, not to mention interest rates.

      Add to all this, the fact that there are no long-term fixed interest rates available (max is just 5 years) and I don’t see the property market improving any time soon, I’m afraid.

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    • Bluffers!!!! Trying to “stimulate” the market

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    • Floodzy, you are spot on. Prices will also overcorrect as set against your analysis. I wonder what these geniuses were spouting during the bubble.

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    • More lies from the vested interests in the Central Bank of ”Ireland”

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    • yeah, what happened to the concept of supply and demand??? surely a house is only worth what people will pay for it??

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  • Is this just another sign that the banks have been run by the wrong people for too long?

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  • Just another month passes by and the Sindo paper and estate agents call the bottom! 6 years in a row now without fail from these pathetic spinsters, have a look ang google it! No lying these liars have been saying the same thing every couple of months for the last 6 years. This time it’s over correcting just like they said this time last year.

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  • Over-corrected, yeah right. coming back down to where they should be, and not even there yet, considering the over-supply, crap quality of most of the newly built houses and apartments, and the falling incomes and lack of new jobs. The property prices have more to fall.

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  • extraordinary pile of bs, the central bank blames poor consumer sentiment, how about poor consumers full stop. Jesus wept, and here was me thinking the central bank had some intelligent people on it’s staff.

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  • When I can buy a house with a credit card then prices will be undervalued. Another day -another vested interest

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  • Until houses become affordable they will continue to fall. It’s not rocket-science.

    The old ratios have to be reinstated (“three times primary earners salary plus that of the secondary earner” was a logical one), before the market stabilizes.

    Also, there should be no government interference in the property-market, by way of stamp-duty or FTB grants. Incentivizing house-buying got us where we are.

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  • The Government controlled NAMA is holding over 10,000 properties…. That is automatic Government influence. Go figure….
    The Government can get reports from any branch of its organisation to say anything it wants them to say … That is how our FFg/Labour masters control us, and tell us what to think.
    If the Central Bank really believes the house prices are great value right now, then why are they not selling off all the houses/apartments in NAMA to pay off all the banking loans etc. Not one bit of logic being applied here. If house prices are so low right now, why are people not jumping at the chance of buying??? QED would suggest that when prices are affordable, and there is a level of confidence in the market (that is also missing, due to the Governments plan to introduce a property tax next year), and the banks are lending at 3 times salary (after a 10% deposit is raised), and people have confidence that the government are going to stop bringing in further sneaky taxes, then people may start to buy again. Right now, who in their right mind would borrow 3 times salary, knowing that NAMA could flood the market any time, while the government on the other hand could destroy your life by bringing in a US style property tax regime. The Government needs to take a holistic approach to this, and allow the market to find its own bottom (after releasing all the irish held property NAMA is holding). Let market forces find the real bottom (which in reality, what someone is willing to pay for a propoerty, versus what someone is willing to sell it for).

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  • The big difference between pre-crash prices and now is tax. We didn’t have property taxes a few years ago. We are now facing into uncertain ammounts of property taxes and less tax relefs on mortages etc. Too early to call the bottom just yet. Any comments on undervaluation are just irresponsible.

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  • There is a glut of vacant commercial and residential property. There just isn’t a lot of money about, and how can prices not fall further?

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    • P Wurple 30/04/12 #

      A huge chunk of the residential is uninhabitable, which skews the figures a bit. Ghost estates and new builds with terrible workmanship. Apartment blocks of one beds in the middle of nowhere.

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  • Isn’t it natural in a unstable dynamic system that is oscillating that it will swing back and forth about the median point?

    Go into a park and push a swing.

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  • Rubbish.

    When prices were through the roof, they (bankers, estate agents etc.) were lining up to tell us that the properties really were worth those ludicrous prices as that’s what people were prepared to pay for them. Overpriced? Nonsense & piffle!

    Well lads, what goes around comes around. If no-one is willing to pay (say) €200k for a property once “worth” €500k, well then it isn’t actually worth €500k or €200k, is it? Overpriced? Absolutely!

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  • A report from the same bunch of bozos who told us the boom prices were justified by the fundamentals?

    Credibility zero.

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  • Compared to Germany the prices are still too high and need to fall further. Then there is the slight little issue everybody seems to forget ….. heating. All houses in Ireland, and especially the ones from the boom times, are built to minimal standards and are, even if, poorly insulated. Rising fuel costs will make it unaffordable for the ordinary Paddy to heat his home properly…. mark my words on this one!!!

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    • Mostly true, except Germany is not a great comparison: aging population, minimal immigration, and a much larger rental sector (with better protection). Wish we had their building standards though.

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  • What complete BS!

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  • Sounds like a starting point for a property tax. 26% above actual value.

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    • Hee hee … i never even considered why the Government would put out a paper saying house prices have stabilized and maybe increasing … They are probably going to put the Tax on the value rather than size of the propoerty … Remember, Enda is from Mayo, and they have might big houses over there, so taxing the size of the house wouldnt go down too well there ;)

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  • There is some truth to this as in some places in the country it is cheaper to buy a house than it is to build one.

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  • Paul 30/04/12 #

    ‘Overcorrected’…another word used by those responsible for property price free fall that they initiated and untimately caused. Then they commission a report and the conclusion is we’re similar to Japan but not quite. What a load of garbage

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  • hopefully the prices will drop to a more realistic price as the 3x salary the banks are lending might get me a bedsit in dublin! imho prices are still way too high and people who bought when prices were high will have my pity when the prices do bottom out. BUT I’m thinking selfishly and want room be able to afford a house like in any other civilised country!

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  • I for one hope it’s true

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