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1,700 bankers in state covered banks paid over €100,000

861 in AIB, 61 in Permanent TSB, 143 in IBRC and 644 in Bank of Ireland paid over €100,000.

Bank of Ireland Chief Executive Richie Boucher. He received a total package of €898,000 in 2011, of which he waived €67,000.
Bank of Ireland Chief Executive Richie Boucher. He received a total package of €898,000 in 2011, of which he waived €67,000.
Image: Niall Carson/PA Archive/Press Association Images

ANY GOVERNMENT REVIEW of bankers pay must address the fact that over 1,700 bankers in institutions with explicit state support are currently earning over €100,000, Fianna Fáil’s Finance Spokesperson has said.

Michael McGrath TD, who obtained the figures after submitting a parliamentary question to the Minister of Finance Michael Noonan, said that he hoped an expected review would result in more realistic levels of executive pay rather than a pay hike.

“Over 180 of these executives are on basic salaries in excess of €200,000. In my view, there is no justification for such a large number of bank employees earning salaries of this order” said McGrath.

The government is expected to begin reviewing bankers salaries soon, with Canadian consultant firm Mercer hired to look at pay at all levels in the banks. Despite a government limit of €500,000, some banks have continued to pay their staff more, most notably in the case of Bank of Ireland Chief Executive Richie Boucher. He received a €898,000 pay package in 2011.

“I very much hope, rather than resulting in any increases in the remuneration of bankers, that this review results in more realistic levels of executive pay across the banks that continue to owe the State and its citizens for their very existence” he said.

Taxpayers are currently paying the €64bn bill required to bail out the Irish banks.

861 bankers in AIB, 61 in Permanent TSB, 143 in IBRC and 644 in Bank of Ireland are currently paid over €100,000.

On Tuesday, the head of banking supervision at the Central Bank Fiona Muldoon compared bankers to teenagers and said that the “economic milk spilt in poor lending, the losses already incurred, have not even begun to be cleaned up.”

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  • Careful they might leave for better paid jobs

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  • I know, I know the behaviour of these institutions is retch inducing but when the numbers are presented in this way I find myself almost overwhelmed with a terrible rage.

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  • “The government is expected to begin reviewing bankers salaries soon, with Canadian consultant firm Mercer hired to look at pay at all levels in the banks.” what in gods name is the government doing four years on are they in a collective coma as far as reality is concerned…the banks rape and fleece us while our government dozes through it all…unbelievable!

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    • Don’t forget to include the bonuses and the perks. They still have boxes in all the stadiums,premier league and gaa,swan around in business class everywhere,have company expense accounts that dwarf most salaries and are laughing their well trousered arses off at the mugs who bailed them out. Us. The rage that most of us feel will hopefully boil over sometime. Looks to me like Sinn Fein are our only hope of any kind of justice. Maybe their economic policies are cloud cuckoo land but can’t be any more disastrous than the current bunch of gombeens.

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  • Question: If 1700 bankers are earning €100,000 each (minimum) and 180 are earning €200,000 each, then it costs €170,000,000 and €36,000,000 which is a yearly pay bill of €206,000,000 If an average mortgage of say €250,000 yields annual interest of APR 5% how many mortgages does it take to pay these bankers before a single cent goes towards the banks main costs . Answers please to within the nearest million.

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  • Absolutely disgracefull rates of pay and whats worse is the fact the goverment refuse to tackle this issue but have no problem attackin the most vunerable in society

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    • barack obama the president of the usa gets 240k (dollars ) per year and runs the second largest country in the world ,our toiaseach gets nearly 250k euros with perks, our bankers are getting the same for fooking the country up ,about time people in this country woke up and smelt the coffee,country is a joke also since 2008 the top 10 % earnings has GONE UP BY 8% and the bottom 10% of earners income has GONE DOWN BY 28%, this is fact folks and posted on my facebook home page

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    • Wy would this and governments before piss their bosses off and scale down their huge salaries for Failure.Theres billions sitting in the Banks but their keeping it and our glorious government are unwilling or are overuled by Bankers even when they do get a sniff of courage to ask.If you support a right wing push to transfer all the wealth to the top 10 15% in the country then dont be flabbergasted when it happens.Its just basic common sense really.FF are FG so if your going to a garage to buy a car and there’s only two cars there both nissan and red dont be suprised if you come home with a red nissan even though theres a garage down the road that sells all types of cars in different colours but you,l stick with the red nissan because you cant be arsed to walk down the road to the other fella.FF/FG the same difference ,copying what other peo[ple have said 4yrs ago, talking shite and supporting it too.Bankers like politicans get rewarded for failing the people ,the Bankers know it Government know it, electorate have’nt a clue.

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    • That’s FG / Labour for you , FF in drag !

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  • sick to my stomach reading this,shocking stuff this

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  • What a joke ! Ridiculous !

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    • we can’t afford it or the td’s 200k wages but no matter what they will be paid until the kitty is empty and by then they will have nice fat off shore bank accounts then they buy up property when prices are lowest wait for it to mature and cash in again..one might think it is intentional just like in America 1920s a group of super rich bought into shares and waited for the prices to go up then they pulled out as did everyone else leaving prices at a all time low then bought up the shares..money followed money

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    • Given the report that FF are back on the move again in the popularity polls ,will it make any difference to Martin and his crowd. These salaries are dating back to when FF were slapping the backs of the bankers.Well it would be fair to say most of them were.should he not be saying something like…look what we did!!…and we are on the way back!!!

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    • #Eileen- until you’re paying your taxes and contributing fully to the state yourself you have absolutely no right to comment on what state employees are getting paid.

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    • If a new independently financed Irish bank were to open would you move your account there? AIB and BOI ruined this country, many of the key people involved are now paid over 100k per annum from money the country has to borrow to pay them and they continue to mislead and screw people, jacking up prices and writing off peoples credit score when they themselves should no longer exist such is the catastrophic use of credit they indulged in. Shame on them, even having a debate on the role of these banks affords them a legitimacy they no longer deserve, they are business’s that failed spectacularly, bailed out by a corrupt government with the pain of their incompetence put on all Irish citizens here and abroad and there they are collecting 100k plus salaries, they should actually be named, if we had a good investigative journalism in this country, the 1700 would be named, their salaries printed and the role they played in the credit fueled fiasco detailed, if they deem themselves deserved of this salary despite all they are responsible for they are deserved of being subject to transparency and accountability. There’s a project for the Journal that would propel it to national attention.

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    • how and why are we allowing this. Can someone please tell me who is allowing him to get away with this and if so what can we the people do to stop it.

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    • Remember Enda and Eamon said we are all in this together! Hmmm not so sure!

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    • Can someone confirm for me?
      Is €100,000 multiplied by 1700 equal one hundred and seventy f***ing million Euro a year?
      And that the heading of the article says ”paid OVER €100,000 a year”?

      So including the ”OVER” plus expenses, plus wastage, plus squander, plus,plus, plus what is the overall figure?
      €500 million a year?
      A Billion a year?
      To pay these bunch of useless wasters???

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    • It’s strange seeing IBRC’s name mentioned in a bad context in the media.
      Our rulers wont be happy with this.

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    • The disgusting thing about this is that there are probably another 17 thousand or so getting paid 50-60-70-80 thousand a year plus generous golfing expenses etc for the last 4 years, to do nothing to sort out the filthy mess that they have created.

      As their customers are pushed further over the edge.
      http://www.independent.ie/national-news/banks-are-hounding-borrowers-to-suicide-2644478.html

      Shut these Zombie Banks down and put the funds towards helping the loyal customers who they mugged.

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    • Didn’t all these prats stay in their jobs, after massive failure through the machinations of that traitor Brian Lenihan.

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  • I feel physically sick having read this, how in the name of god can this be allowed to continue? How do these ~#ankers sleep at night? are they so far removed from reality, do they not listen to the news, watch Vincent Brown at night, have they any idea of the hardship some people are enduring because of these bail outs? When is this madness going to stop?

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    • Unless you are any use to them like being in debt then you and im not saying you personally .Then all you are is on oxygen thief they dont care what no balls Kenny says nevermind Vinny Browne.Sheep for the Wolves.Control the money supply all else is irrelevant.

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  • Nice photo of Mr Boucher, The logo behind him make him look like he has a small set of horns.

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  • Absolutely incredible…..they break the country…strangle any recovery…would appear to be able to do as they wish and are paid obscene amounts of money…..absolutely incredible.

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  • Party is still happening in the banks. Taxpayers bailed them out but they are still the masters and we are the servants.

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  • Boucher has an uncanny resemblance to John Gilligan in that pic!!

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  • And thats without bonuses. Nothing against the people been paid it but the banking system is a joke. Rewards employees for ripping off people. Nice world we live in.

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  • I’m so sick of FF milking it over the bank issue shame on those who brought to our, shame on you McGrath short memory span they(FF) have.

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  • Can i ask a question,would anyone here care to explain what they precive the defination of a “banker” to be, ie their job description.No need for profanities i know them all.

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  • What with voting in FG and the news today that FF are making a resurgence we deserve everything we get.

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  • 100k is a lot (too much) for a job that is producing no profit for the business or the economy. But thus kind of story just fans the flames where people assume everyone earning over 100k is a banker. Most are engineers and software developers. Businesd owners and basically hard workers.
    Cut these crazy failed banker salaries. But not everyone successful is evil.

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  • I have a question.
    It’s just a one word question..

    WHY?

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  • Gzeit 18/10/12 #

    Absolutely sickening! Things need to change in this country and the only way to ring about change is mass protest! Anyone and everyone who is fed up and wants change should just peacefully take to the streets and not leave until we are guaranteed change! If it means shutting down the country for a week so be it, in the long run it would be worth it. Do nothing but complain, nothing will change unfortunately!

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  • We have to be subservient to someone i mean its our culture..we love it..we must ..we endorse it.

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  • If all of the 1,700 bankers had their salaries reduced by €4,705 there would be no need to cut the home help hours – €8m cost

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  • While i agree this is a joke what did FF do about this while they were in power? Pot, kettle, black?

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  • Sorry, did I read this right. So, 861 executives in AIB paid over €100k it’s no wonder they need to increase variable mortgage interest rates. One of the 7 deadly sins in action. Greed. As for Boucher on €898k that could easily create jobs for 22 new university graduates on a fair salary of €40k. Surely the decision making of 22 would be far better than one!

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  • Boucher should be publicly flogged.

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  • Not until we see a w/banker or politician reduced to sackcloth and ashes will we see a change to this sort of carry on. As someone else said, if they were that good why are they not working abroad?

    The sooner we see the second Republic, the better for us all.

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    • The reality is that if Bankers and Politicians salaries were reduced to the minimum wage the whingers on this site would be as critical as they are now. One of the contributors asked if anyone knew what a Banker does and another suggested that they all took their instructions from Wall Street while a lady went on about Contracts for Difference as if she knew what they were and your friendly local Bank Manager was pushing these on you over a pint.
      There are clearly two world out there and I strongly believe that my mother was right when she told me to never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell the difference……..contacts or not!

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    • I assume Paddy you and your mum never had an argument so ?

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  • Theres one thing people in this country fail to realise and it’s absolutely amazing. Our bankers are not bankers in the way that bankers in New York and London are bankers. Our bankers don’t develop new exciting financial products or trade exotic instruments. All our bankers do is lend money to a property which is valued by an estate agent. That is it. If your a small business, they ask what’s the value of your collateral and not what your business plan is. Been the same for decades.

    If any of our bankers went to england or america, they would be all paid at the lowest salary scale over there.

    It’s obvious that people in Ireland have no understanding of what our ‘bankers’ actually do here which is what trainees in other countries do. The same goes for our solicitorss, doctors and teachers etc. i.e. our soicitors can only do conveyancing and our doctors are hardly specilaists in anything (that’s why we need to go to england do get anything complicated done) and our teachers are the most overpaid, underperforming in most of Europe (This is proven by taken a representative sample e.g. Irish teachers and then saying if 70% can’t speak Irish after 14 years then 70% of all teachers in this country are completely useless. This is actually statistical proof that most of them are completely useless!

    We must stop overpaying all ‘professionals’ in this country and the people need to realise that they wouldn’t get a fraction of their pay in any other country.

    And before anyone says it, I know there are exceptions to the rule. :)

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    • Wouldn’t want you doing statistics for me.Stupid point

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    • Tara “develop new exciting financial products” would that be “Soverign Debt Scam” “QE3″ or just collapsing the Euro Dollar and introducing a World Currency and Banking union that supervize’s your life and values you on how much you owe and how long you,l be there debt slave hmm.Exciting.

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    • But at least they have the education and smarts to understand what all those financial products are. In america, they developed the CDO’s which broke their banks to offset the bad lending they knew they were doing. The scary thing in Ireland, is that our bankers really didn’t realise they were doing anything wrong. That’s the difference. They have smart, educated bankers and ours ones wouldn’t last 2 weeks in any higher-up position over there.

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    • Well thats true but i suspect Irish Bankers get their orders from Wall Street so Irish bankers are only facilitators really .The smart educated bankers you speak of in the U.S are smart educated masonic nutjobs that are taking the world apart so they can introduce a new currency and dictate pollitics and way of life through fiscal budgeting on the debt generations and the evil thing about it .Its all an illusion .

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  • think people are missing the point here . bankers are paid these massive pay amounts because they can , no one will ever stop them . they gave the government the 2 fingers long time ago . they don’t give a monkies what we think , we are the fools that put the money in thier pockets !,. my taxes have increased to bail out a bank and in turn my bank increases their mortgage rate to release me of more money . again only in Ireland .we are the monkies in this country for allowing it to continue .

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  • Does anyone know a phone repair shop I just puked all over mine . Sickening

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  • It’s incredible to think that Irish banks are on most other Banks do not enter arrangements with list yet we still pay as if they were functioning institutions. The truth is that our banks are so inactive all these high salaried Staff are currently sitting around clicking refresh on their outbox. Once the private debt crisis is fully acknowledged on their books it’ll be another case of the Government having to go to the markets to get the funding for these insolvent institutions.

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  • Dear Journal, where’s the article on Richard Boyd Barrett claiming a grand a month to commute from Glengeary? It’s 12km each way and on some days he travels twice!!! For this horror commute he has to repair his car often (!!!) and hence a grand a month. He’s right, few cars can do 500km each month without breaking down a lot. That is value for money from People Before Profit – two Euro per km. He could have easily hired four Indian fellows to carry him on the shoulders like a Maharaja. How should those who voted for this circus artist feel? Like donkeys for sure.

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  • barry 18/10/12 #

    What does Boucher do for that type of money? How many hours a week? What holidays? What bonuses?, what pension? If a review was to be done on
    his work to date, does he deserve it? Who is his boss? Am I paying his wages?!

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  • Job security for anyone earning over 100k needs to be removed, if you are worth that amount of money you’ll get a new job no problem.

    If your not then it should be possible to make you redundant with a minimal payment perhaps 2 months salary.

    The current unfair dismissal and redundancy regulations should not apply.

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  • Whinge whinge, moan moan, caugh, whinge, moan, rage, moan, livid, moan, disgraceful, moan, appalling, moan.

    Sent from a Keyboard Warrior

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  • Does Angela know about their pensions and allowances? It takes a good woman to sort us out.

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  • I wonder if they still claim Child Benefit …

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  • Why cant I post?

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  • How much do people think a bank manager makes? It is 100k easy. IT people can earn this.
    Specialist professionals earn this kind of money. They should also be given the same protections as any other employee to having their salary protected.
    And bankers do create products here. Actuarials also earn such money. Got to accept some people are on high wages

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    • I was hoping someone would raise this point….the blanket term “bankers” is being used to cover all manner of professionals who happen to work in banking groups.

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    • If these professionals were been paid by a private company their pay wouldn’t be an issue. They question is can we get the same calibre of professional for the public sector and state owned banks for less and the simple answer is yes.

      All the high paying professionals in the public sector have been there for a least 15 years which is long before the high wages were granted (on the back of taxes paid by constrruction workers). They didn’t go abroad when wages were low because they knew they couldn’t hack it in america or the UK..

      Lets drop their wages (offer no redundancy) and see if they will leave or take the pay-cut. These professionals know they wouldn’t earn what their earning here anywhere else so they will stay. it’s that simple. I think anyway :)-

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    • They are actually private companies with the exception of one.
      Do you really think it would be fair on any employee to just cut their wages?
      You do understand the majority of bank employees had no say in anything close to what caused the banking crisis.
      Want to make a bank worthless get rid of the employees. Many of whom have staff with over 15 years of employment.

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    • I’m not saying its fair to cut employee wages when a company is making a profit but if its making a loss they either cut salaries or shut down and nobody gets any salary. But you miss the point on private companies in Ireland. if you have a business and its subsidised to the degree that without that subsidy you would make a loss then you are owned by the sate and the state should impose it’s will on all of them. I include not only all the Irish Banks (BOI is not provate as without government support it would close down in the morning as I haven’t heard them making a profit yet) but I would include all health professionals, farmers, anybody been subsidised by the state. the government is in a unique position to enforce its will right now to get through all the changes they wish to. If the workers don’t like it, they should leave and get a job in the private sector or maybe leave the country like the hundreds of thousands of constrction workers whom were the ones who paid their high wages for the past 10 years.

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    • Idiotic to cut all subsides due to a some perceived belief this would save money long term. Setup costs to reinstate needed services would mount pretty quick later. You could of course set up any funnel to get money out of the country.
      It also needs to be understood that the people working there might be generating income. You also have comparative salary are you going to cut a managers salary and have the people he is in charge paid the same.
      Let staff go? Who will run the bank.
      This is a statement to trick people who don’t understand economics.

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    • That’s the thing, no staff have to be let go. They will work for 50% of their previous pay no problem. This is proven by new teachers starting off on 30% less than existing teachers and still theres plenty to be had. 95% of all bankers in Ireland would not be able to source a job elsewhere in the economy so their choice would be 50% cut in pay, €188 per week on the dole or emigrate. I think they would take the cut and there you go, the taxpayer saves 50% overnight on payroll costs. It’s that simple.

      In relation to the banks, the government should have pumped that money into a separate bank and let them go to the wall. Legislation could have easily been passed to take control of all deposits with the shortfall made up of the amount we already have put into the banks.

      All state paid professionals in this country are what economists call “rent seekers” i.e. they produce little of value to what they are paid. That’s actually real economics since you broght economic terms into it :). If they all believe they could do better abroad, we should let them go, but they won’t.

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  • And here’s what the w..k.rs in the central bank think http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/ireland-labour-costs-jimmy-kelly-639088-Oct2012/

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  • if we were one of them well paid fat cats… would we take a paycut… i doubt it fair play to them

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